tunejunky:

1) weak sauce 2) AMD needs better distribution in EU 3) any price cuts are welcome in this economy 4) i wonder if they have a threshold for rdna 2 inventory sales before they launch their new mid range

I don`t think that`s the main reason for AMD regarding the launch of their mid range cards. I believe they are severely constrained regarding wafer capacity, like everyone else right now, so they are prioritizing their best and most profitable products and leaving behind their GPU division...

Maddness:

That's all fine and dandy in the US, but in other countries there haven't been any 6950's, 6900's, 6800's in stock or able to be ordered for quite some time. Maybe AMD needs to get off their ass and release the 7800, 7750, 7700.

Plenty of stock in EU?

kapu:

Plenty of stock in EU?

Nah mate, I live in New Zealand in the Pacific region.

kcajjones:

Hold up. You genuinely think you're getting a good deal becuase a 4070 costs the same as a 7 year old flagship gpu that's about as fast as last year's 4th best card?

It's not important but I felt I should point out it was last gen's 5th fastest card... from just nVidia. 3090 Ti, 3090, 3080 Ti, 3080 12GB then 3080 10GB.

schmidtbag:

Too bad the 6700 XT hasn't lowered in price. That's what I'm most interested in, unless the 7700 [XT] offers a better value.

I was just looking at this one

Airbud:

I was just looking at this one

Good deal!

tsunami231:

but receptively the 70 and 70ti should be 499 and 599$ max

Why and says who? Why not 399 and 499 or even less. You are just picking numbers out of the air. There's numerous factors that dictate retail pricing, but the opinion of a PC gamer and/or forum member isnt one of them. 4070 12gb - £580 6900xt 16gb - £580 3070Ti 8gb - £500 3080 12gb - £899 3080 10gb - £720

Airbud:

I was just looking at this one

I've seen 6700XTs going for $350 for a few months. The freebies thrown in make it more enticing but I'd honestly rather just have a cheaper GPU. Thankfully, I'm a little too busy to play games lately and other expensive hobbies, so I'm fine with waiting until either AMD or Nvidia releases mid-tier cards.

schmidtbag:

I've seen 6700XTs going for $350 for a few months. The freebies thrown in make it more enticing but I'd honestly rather just have a cheaper GPU. Thankfully, I'm a little too busy to play games lately and other expensive hobbies, so I'm fine with waiting until either AMD or Nvidia releases mid-tier cards.

Why dont you get one? Its the best card you can get in that price range and with its 12gb vram it will do fine at 1440p ultra settings. I've been using it and i can tell you it has been better experience than a 3070 i had before it.

schmidtbag:

I've seen 6700XTs going for $350 for a few months. The freebies thrown in make it more enticing but I'd honestly rather just have a cheaper GPU. Thankfully, I'm a little too busy to play games lately and other expensive hobbies, so I'm fine with waiting until either AMD or Nvidia releases mid-tier cards.

Call me weird but here lately I've been doing the (which card does it outperform?) rather than the (not as good as) approach. Kind of like saying...Hey, the RX 6700XT = RTX 2080Ti for only $350

Or get a 6800 if you can find one for $450 and enjoy the 16GB and sharp textures for a longer time (even if effects will need to be reduced in the future due to shader power not keeping up with new games in 2024-2025)

wavetrex:

Or get a 6800 if you can find one for $450 and enjoy the 16GB and sharp textures for a longer time (even if effects will need to be reduced in the future due to shader power not keeping up with new games in 2024-2025)

Or for a 50-70$ more and get a 6800xt or another 50-70$ more and get a 6900xt and so on...:p

Undying:

Or for a 50-70$ more and get a 6800xt or another 50-70$ more and get a 6900xt and so on...:p

Those will not bring more memory all the way to the 7900 XT... 6800 non XT is the one to get for highest memory capacity per price and considerably higher performance than that 6700XT. Yes Intel has a 16 GB model but it's slower than a 6700XT, and not just by a small amount...

Undying:

Why dont you get one? Its the best card you can get in that price range and with its 12gb vram it will do fine at 1440p ultra settings. I've been using it and i can tell you it has been better experience than a 3070 i had before it.

At this rate if I wait a few more months, I'm sure the price will drop below $300. I don't mind waiting. As for the user experience, no doubt. I game exclusively on Linux, and that's where AMD does a much better job. Their Linux drivers might not have the latest features as soon as Windows gets them but they're much more refined. Since I don't tend to play the latest titles, this has always been a non-issue to me. My R9 290 is 9 years old and yet, it can play a lot of last-gen games in 1440p max detail above 30FPS, maybe with texture details and AA reduced. The small 4GB of VRAM is what slows it down the most. A 6700 XT is rough 65% faster, so, I figure I should have no problem playing games in 4K @ 60FPS without AA or DXR. Y'know what's crazy though? The 290 has the same core count, same TMU count, same compute unit count, actually 4x faster memory bus, and a bigger L2 cache. However, it's missing additional cache layers, much lower clock speed, and is manufactured on a larger node. Really gets me to wonder: if the 290 was manufactured on a smaller node, increased clock speeds, and given 12GB of VRAM, I wonder if it might even surpass the 6700 XT due to the better memory bus, despite being an outdated architecture.

Airbud:

Call me weird but here lately I've been doing the (which card does it outperform?) rather than the (not as good as) approach. Kind of like saying...Hey, the RX 6700XT = RTX 2080Ti for only $350

I look at things in a "how much has improved for the price" perspective. So when you take what I just said about the specs of the 6700XT to the R9 290 I have now, it's almost the same GPU (on paper) from an 8 year difference, and yet, the 6700 XT has a slightly higher MSRP. I got my 290 for $275, and while it's unrealistic for me to expect to get a 6700 XT for that kind of money, I'm just bitter about buying almost the same thing for more money. Of course, when you account for inflation and the actual performance difference of the 6700 XT, that adds a little sugar to cover up that bitterness, but it's still annoying. That's why I'd like to see prices drop just a smidge more.

wavetrex:

Or get a 6800 if you can find one for $450 and enjoy the 16GB and sharp textures for a longer time (even if effects will need to be reduced in the future due to shader power not keeping up with new games in 2024-2025)

I have a hard enough time justifying $350 for a GPU, I'm not about to spend another $100. While you are right that the 6800 is a better value and better overall product, I see the 6700 XT as a sort of interim GPU for myself. It's affordable and will play what I want with the settings I want. I think raytracing needs another few years to mature to a point where it doesn't require a 4-figure GPU to play it in 4K without supersampling. Until a mid-tier GPU can handle that, and, assuming prices don't continue to shoot up, that's probably when I'll do my next upgrade.

wavetrex:

Those will not bring more memory all the way to the 7900 XT... 6800 non XT is the one to get for highest memory capacity per price and considerably higher performance than that 6700XT. Yes Intel has a 16 GB model but it's slower than a 6700XT, and not just by a small amount...

16gb is nice and all but its questionable how much will 6800 be capable of going forward. Card could run out gpu power. Going higher to lets say 6900/6950xt having such big vram buffer becomes more appealing.

schmidtbag:

Y'know what's crazy though? The 290 has the same core count, same TMU count, same compute unit count, actually 4x faster memory bus, and a bigger L2 cache. However, it's missing additional cache layers, much lower clock speed, and is manufactured on a larger node. Really gets me to wonder: if the 290 was manufactured on a smaller node, increased clock speeds, and given 12GB of VRAM, I wonder if it might even surpass the 6700 XT due to the better memory bus, despite being an outdated architecture.

That is crazy but its a much more modern architecture so we cant really compare it like that. Idk if you knew but 6700xt is actually running highest core clock out of all rdna2 cards. My Devil is at 2750mhz on the core currenly and i even wonder if i can push it more.

Undying:

16gb is nice and all but its questionable how much will 6800 be capable of going forward. Card could run out gpu power. Going higher to lets say 6900/6950xt having such big vram buffer becomes more appealing.

Yeah the balance of VRAM capacity and GPU power is tricky, even more so when games are fluid on what they use more, add that to tricks like RT and FSR/DLSS and differing resolutions and its never easy to pick a card thats good for all games.

pegasus1:

Why and says who? Why not 399 and 499 or even less. You are just picking numbers out of the air. There's numerous factors that dictate retail pricing, but the opinion of a PC gamer and/or forum member isnt one of them. 4070 12gb - £580 6900xt 16gb - £580 3070Ti 8gb - £500 3080 12gb - £899 3080 10gb - £720

talking USD here also 1070 series was respective 399-450 card till nvidia decided to start raise prices the last 3 gens so no i not picking number out there air. to many people around going along with nvidia price raising. in 3 generations xx70 doubled in price. we now looking at 799 for 70ti and 599. If nvidia was pull this crap with price for more then decaded each gen most gpu card would would be price out reach of 99% people. so i fail to under stand why people are going along with or even saying it fine my opinion is just valid as your less your same mine isnt which means neither is yours. beside and alot people around agree the cost are to high now tier of card from 2 gen ago and so reviewers

@tsunami231 just for the lolz, I'm going to do some calculations based on Nvidia's first general purpose GPU with unified shaders, which is Tesla (or GeForce 8) Top of the line at launch was 599 USD, the 8800 GTX, which had 345 GFLOPS of FP32, or 1.73 USD for every gigaflop. However, since that happened in late 2006, I'll add inflation into the mix to keep it fair:

So, in today's money, 2.55 USD / Gflop. Let's see for comparison the 4090 (which is why I used September 2022, the launch date) - It has 82.6 TFlops. If Nvidia would have price matched the increase in computing power like they seem to do today, the 4090 would have costed... 210580 USD 😛 So, according to the fanboys, it's fair, right ? It's 239 times faster than GeForce 8800 GTX, so it should be 239 times more expensive... right ?

tsunami231:

talking USD here also 1070 series was respective 399-450 card till nvidia decided to start raise prices the last 3 gens so no i not picking number out there air. to many people around going along with nvidia price raising. in 3 generations xx70 doubled in price. we now looking at 799 for 70ti and 599. If nvidia was pull this crap with price for more then decaded each gen most gpu card would would be price out reach of 99% people. so i fail to under stand why people are going along with or even saying it fine my opinion is just valid as your less your same mine isnt which means neither is yours. beside and alot people around agree the cost are to high now tier of card from 2 gen ago and so reviewers

There is more going on in the world that effects prices than just NV and AMD wanting to fleece everybody. Tensions in Taiwan, the slowing Chinese economy, war in Ukraine and Covid, all have created a perfect storm of supply and manufacturing challenges. Add to that fiscal and employment uncertainty, and you have many items rising in price at an exponential rate. I don't bitch about prices because its pointless, gaming is a luxury not a necessity. People need to forget model names and numbers and look at performance. Even without taking global inflation into account, £580 now, gets you way way more performance and features than the same amount of money ever has.