AMD Radeon 520 and 530 Released As Well
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RooiKreef
That's a bit shocking to see a GCN gen1 respin....
rl66
gen3... but i don't see why is it shocking, it's for old computer or office one...
unless that even iGP can do the same or better in these day.
icedman
Unless u have a pretty old igpu I can't see a market for these they have the specs of roughly a a10 5800k anything newer with an igpu is equal or better now.
vbetts
Moderator
The 530 wouldn't even be a bad budget card if it had a higher memory bandwidth.
labidas
no market?
how about most office PC's?
Denial
I think his point is that most office PC's are covered by iGPU products, which basically every office PC built in the last 5 years ships with.
vbetts
Moderator
Most office PC's with iGPU's still cannot do multiple monitors. That's where these come to play.
The Goose
Other than greed I fail to see the point in releasing low end versions of an already budget range, teh internet is already flooded with cheap budget cards, 2 weeks ago i picked up an Amd 5970(£30 asking price)....sold as faulty and i got it for £25....it just needed cleaning.
schmidtbag
Kinda confusing that the 540 better than the non-OEM 550.
I'm guessing the 540 and 530 will be found in the AM4 APUs and should allow for crossfire. So basically you'd get the theoretical performance of a 560 or 550. Depending on price and form factor, part of me wonders if buying something like a Ryzen 1400 + a RX 560 would be a better value.
The 5970 you bought lacks a few modern technologies that even the 520 likely supports, such as newer versions of OpenCL and Vulkan. It's also extremely power hungry in comparison.
The purpose of these GPUs is for silent, power-efficient, and low-profile cases, where there is either no IGP or the one available is too underwhelming.
EDIT:
What I personally don't understand about these GPUs is their price point. There are CPUs from both AMD and Intel that have better IGPs than a 520 and probably 530 too, and the AMD options aren't expensive. To me, the cost of "upgrading" a PC to something like a 530 is way too high compared to buying an APU. If you're really on that much of a budget for an upgrade as minimal as a 530, I figure you'd be better off just buying a used GPU.
Denial
Yeah there are definitely niche areas where these will come into play - but I think over the next few years the entry level discreet GPU market will be gone.
I've been building Intel NUC's and just doing DP chaining to do multiple monitors at my office. I mount the NUC to the back of the monitors with a VESA mounting kit. NUCs come with a 3 year warranty - mounting it frees up space. It can drive multiple monitors no problem and the performance is good enough for basically any office task. I have even have a couple guys doing basic CAD work on them.
The Goose
I was using my 5970 as an example of cheap cards already flooding the market, the 520 and 530 are not gaming cards so the extra features you speak of are irrelevant.
vbetts
Moderator
It's not performance that's the issue, most businesses have deals and contracts with big names like Dell, HP, and Apple to where they pay a yearly contract fee but they either get free computers or discounted computers covered under this fee. The problem is with Dell and HP at least, while the igpu is easily more than capable of doing such they do not enable it unless you buy a specific adapter that cost about as much as a video card if not more considering HD2400's are still top sellers in office machines for about $50 a pop. These also come with the adapters as well.
Or if you choose base machines, they do not have dual monitor enabled through the bios at all. I have a Dell Latitude 15 3000 for work, and I can mirror my mobile display to an external display but if I wanted to extend it, I need a dock to do so. Or if I wanted to use the external monitor as my main, but then use my laptop monitor to extend the desktop I need that dock. I can go ahead and just use the external monitor on its own though, but that's silly.
schmidtbag
As you have just acknowledged, the cards serve distinctly different purposes. Flooding a market means there are too many similar options to choose from, but that isn't the case here. But for arguments sake, let's say the market is saturated, where the available choices share the same power consumption, physical size, and noise - many people refuse to buy used hardware, particularly businesses (which these GPUs tend to appeal to). Meanwhile, there are buyers who laugh at those who spend so much cash on new hardware where computer parts usually don't break down and lose performance like most things do.
tl;dr in a broad sense, sure, "cheap cards" is a flooded market, but when you consider people's needs or preferences, suddenly the market is much more narrow.
Aura89
You know it'd be cool if AMD/intel were to release an add-on card, PCI-Express, that simply enabled more video outputs from the iGPU, cost $20 or less, maybe even $10.
I don't see why this wouldn't be possible.
schmidtbag
The display connector is the "end of the line" for the GPU. Having the GPU send a rendered video signal through the PCIe bus would be very inefficient and likely cost a lot of bandwidth. I figure a PCIe card to extend the amount of display connectors would result in a poor value. Most of these low-end GPUs retain their price for several years, probably because they can't get any cheaper without returning a profit. The 8400GS, for example, is maybe only $15 cheaper than it was when it was released nearly 10 years ago. I suspect a PCIe card like you suggest wouldn't be a whole lot different. There are modestly priced workstation GPUs out there that support more than 3 monitors and would likely perform better.
Remember - if all you need is another GPU-acclerated monitor, you can mix and match GPUs, though obviously you're better off sticking with the same brand if you can. Otherwise, you might as well just buy something like a USB to HDMI adapter.
This I think is the most relevant to what you want:
https://www.displayport.org/cables/driving-multiple-displays-from-a-single-displayport-output/
vbetts
Moderator
Dell does this with a couple of their small form factor optiplex desktops, but these are hard to come by.
rl66
Really really old one then... because we have old one that can do it already.
But i agree it's a good reason to buy some 🙂
Sapphire have done some, but it was at the same price than a small complete GPU card (around 15/20 Euro)...
I found another reason to buy a 520 ... 🙂
schmidtbag
I think he meant IGPs that can't handle multiple monitors, regardless of whether they have 2 or more display connectors. For example, my office PC uses a Core2 Quad. Remember, this is back when Intel used on-board northbridges, rather than a SoC. The IGP for this PC supports 2 displays, but I'm sure just scrolling through a typical web page would start stuttering on a single 1080p display (I don't currently use the IGP).
