"Threadripper" I like the name! Makes me want to go raid my wife's sewing kit. https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1QblrPVXXXXaKXpXXq6xXFXXXd/New-Mini-Plastic-Handle-Craft-font-b-Thread-b-font-Cutter-Seam-font-b-Ripper-b.jpg Honestly though, I do like the name. 🤓 What I really really like is all those sweet cores, quad channel RAM and a buttload of PCIE lanes. I'd love one for myself, but my 1700X was such an upgrade for workstation type purposes that I think I'll be happy with it for a few years at least. Of course, if these happen to OC much at all and are priced reasonably..... I may waver in my resolve. lol

Madness!! More R9s than R7's and R5's combined!! What this speaks to is the expected yields of these huge chips-- many will not be able to make it as 16 core, 14 core, or 12 core! This is AMD's way of being able to sell every chip that does not make the full cut. Its easy to forget that 14nm is still the cutting edge of technology, especially for GloFo. AMD are not going down without a bloody fight it seems. 3.5GHz base for 16 core is pure insanity. That 3.6/4.0 12 core is also monstrous-- great for any task you throw at it. Surely all these SKU's will have unlocked multipliers as well. There is absolutely no way Intel is "not concerned" about this-- AMD will very likely take the overall CPU crown with their top chips here, and even more importantly, will have chip options at every conceivable performance point, from 16 core down to dual core. AMD should have good margins here, because Intel will not give up much margins for their top chips-- to do so would be suicide for their stock price. So that leaves the hope that Intel will continue to stomp on AMD solely based on blind faith that Intel followers and the uneducated masses will continue to buy Intel over AMD because, well, its Intel! With a competitive product at every price point, that is the only possible reason that AMD wont take some real tangible market share from Intel in the next year. AMD just need to make sure to deliver these chips on time, hopefully Glofo is up to the task.

I can't see my 6700K holding up too long with all these sweet CPU's coming out... I want one!!!!

it will hold up just fine, less amd some how make headway on stp, Multicore is mostly irrelevant from most software in for end user all software has to become multi core aware and correctly for all this cores to really matter

AMD seems to be in a worry to release their high end parts but i think it would be better, and wiser, to release the lower end parts first because i can´t see those expensive parts selling very well. But his is just my opinion.

Always nonsense with you eh?

it will hold up just fine, less amd some how make headway on stp, Multicore is mostly irrelevant from most software in for end user all software has to become multi core aware and correctly for all this cores to really matter

People who dream of 10-16 core CPUs obviously are running proper multicore software regularly. There are plenty of such software around, has been for years, even if Intel never realised it.

Always nonsense with you eh?

Nonsense why? Because my opinion differs from yours??? Don´t tell me you´re always right and nobody told me about it??? If i´m wrong and you don´t agree with me just say it and explain why instead of writing stupid posts like this.

AMD seems to be in a worry to release their high end parts but i think it would be better, and wiser, to release the lower end parts first because i can´t see those expensive parts selling very well. But his is just my opinion.

Nonsense why? Because my opinion differs from yours??? Don´t tell me you´re always right and nobody told me about it??? If i´m wrong and you don´t agree with me just say it and explain why instead of writing stupid posts like this.

Because you literally spew nonsense around. Tell me, how is AMD "in a worry" to release their high end parts? Do you know what their release schedule for this processor was in the first place? Did you ever see documents that tell a different story then what is happening here and now? Do you have ANY expertise to back up your claim of what should or should not be done? And are you a business person? Do you know how well cheaper products would sell vs higher end? Do you know the processor behind any of this? DO YOU RUN A HUGE COMPANY OF ANY KIND? Do you have ANYTHING to back up your nonsense? No? Then it'll continue to be fanboy nonsense. From your post history, Intel could crumble and go bankrupt due to AMD, and you'd still be waiving your intel flag in all AMD forum posts about how AMD is doomed, worried, and have horrible performance. Its. Nonsense.

Because you literally spew nonsense around. Tell me, how is AMD "in a worry" to release their high end parts? Do you know what their release schedule for this processor was in the first place? Did you ever see documents that tell a different story then what is happening here and now? Do you have ANY expertise to back up your claim of what should or should not be done? And are you a business person? Do you know how well cheaper products would sell vs higher end? Do you know the processor behind any of this? DO YOU RUN A HUGE COMPANY OF ANY KIND? Do you have ANYTHING to back up your nonsense? No? Then it'll continue to be fanboy nonsense. From your post history, Intel could crumble and go bankrupt due to AMD, and you'd still be waiving your intel flag in all AMD forum posts about how AMD is doomed, worried, and have horrible performance. Its. Nonsense.

But there is a certain truth to what he said. Not the worry part. But I for one am surprised that we will see R9 and HEDT before Zen based APU's or R3's.

But there is a certain truth to what he said. Not the worry part. But I for one am surprised that we will see R9 and HEDT before Zen based APU's or R3's.

To me it makes sense. From a consumer market, and having worked in a place that sells PCs, people know intel. They don't know why they choose intel, but they know intel, so they buy intel. Hopefully this will change, and hopefully word of mouth from peoples "friends who know electronics" will change as well. How many times i could show and prove that an AMD laptop/desktop was faster then a more expensive Intel laptop/desktop to a customer (though not recently this was a few years back) would not change their mind, because, and i quote "Well, my friend/kid/husband/wife/relative/etc. said to get Intel, so even though you showed it can get a higher number, that doesn't mean anything to me because it's just a number and they said to go intel so i'm going intel" 9/10 times i would sell a laptop/desktop, i would end up selling them the more expensive, less performing device, due to "someone they knew" Only way to fix this is to change "someone they knew"'s mind, which in the end, won't be easy. But you can't start with the low-end stuff to change someones mind.

To me it makes sense. From a consumer market, and having worked in a place that sells PCs, people know intel. They don't know why they choose intel, but they know intel, so they buy intel. Hopefully this will change, and hopefully word of mouth from peoples "friends who know electronics" will change as well. How many times i could show and prove that an AMD laptop/desktop was faster then a more expensive Intel laptop/desktop to a customer (though not recently this was a few years back) would not change their mind, because, and i quote "Well, my friend/kid/husband/wife/relative/etc. said to get Intel, so even though you showed it can get a higher number, that doesn't mean anything to me because it's just a number and they said to go intel so i'm going intel" 9/10 times i would sell a laptop/desktop, i would end up selling them the more expensive, less performing device, due to "someone they knew" Only way to fix this is to change "someone they knew"'s mind, which in the end, won't be easy. But you can't start with the low-end stuff to change someones mind.

A small "gaming" laptop for less than $700 could change that, "person I know that knows computers" too. But yes I do see your point. But neither of our ways of thinking a wrong per say. Time will tell.

A small "gaming" laptop for less than $700 could change that,

This is what i am waiting for. I mean, less then $700? I dunno, depends on the GPU, but a ryzen-based laptop...man i can't wait. My wife currently has an i7 dual-core laptop, which is...fine, but i didn't do my research when i bought it. I didn't realize they make i7 dual-cores....so i just figured it was a quad core...my bad..... But it's really not that surprising to see them release desktop stuff first, intel does it too. Why this is, i don't know, but i can only assume it's easier to make your "full feature" cpu and then cut down from there. When the i7 series of CPUs got released from Intel in November of 2008, there wasn't an i7 mobile CPU until September 2009, and the core i3 processor wasn't even released until 2010, with mobiles in the same year, and i5 didn't get rleased until 2009, with mobiles in 2010, so... i7 - 2008 High end mobile - 2009 Mid range mobile - 2010 Low end mobile - 2010

But what i will say is what you DON'T want is your first product to be relatively unstable and require updates (...like what happens every major new CPU architecture) to the masses, as they won't understand what they are getting themselves into, and you will not win them back and they will tell everyone they know of their "unstable" experience.

I can't see why they would go the 4094-pin route. Why would you use the same pinout as a CPU with double the capacity in almost every sense? Twice the memory channels, twice the cores, twice the physical size, to only use half (roughly) of the pins ? The only reason for such a large socket would be harvesting bad Naples dies, or using die where only half the cores are usable. I just can't see the yields being that bad to make it economically viable.

Because you literally spew nonsense around. Tell me, how is AMD "in a worry" to release their high end parts? Do you know what their release schedule for this processor was in the first place? Did you ever see documents that tell a different story then what is happening here and now? Do you have ANY expertise to back up your claim of what should or should not be done? And are you a business person? Do you know how well cheaper products would sell vs higher end? Do you know the processor behind any of this? DO YOU RUN A HUGE COMPANY OF ANY KIND? Do you have ANYTHING to back up your nonsense? No? Then it'll continue to be fanboy nonsense. From your post history, Intel could crumble and go bankrupt due to AMD, and you'd still be waiving your intel flag in all AMD forum posts about how AMD is doomed, worried, and have horrible performance. Its. Nonsense.

Your amazing logical thinking and argumentative skills left me speechless, i din´t thought it was possible to write so much garbage in one post... And i´ve seen a lot of stupid posts in my life time. First off, about their release schedule, i know as much as you do, meaning that both our assessments about it have the same value not to mention that the "worry" part is an expression, don´t know if your familiar with the concept... Second, about how well cheaper products sell against more expensive ones, i can tell you that normally the cheaper ones bring 70 to 80% of the revenue and about 50 to 60% of profits. This on the consumer side, on the server side things are different because energy, personnel and software costs are as important as the cost of actual hardware. This is true for almost every business around the world. For example, the car industry, almost all the luxury brands have been acquired by brands that sell much cheaper cars, Ferrari illustrates this better than anyone, they are owned by FIAT!.... How do i know this? I already worked as a financial controller for a couple of multinational companies, meaning i had to analyze numbers in the order of millions and them report them to HQ as a living so i think i know a thing or two about it... Third, about the fanboy part, only idiots that lack the arguments to prove their point call fanboys to others just because they a different opinion or have bought a product of the direct competition. Best part of it, i´m such a fanboy that i´ve bought an Intel cpu after 7 years with a Q9550!... If all of Intel´s fanboys are like me, they are in trouble... And after this i won´t waste any more time with you, after replies likes this it´s clear that i can´t follow the brilliance produced by your amazing mind so i´ll find some forum members as stupid as me so i can talk to them.

As someone who likes both Aura89 and H83 as community members, I think both of you are blowing things a bit out of proportion here... Anyway, I too have anecdotes of people who bought Intel "because that's what ____ said to get" or "but that's a name I know" despite (at the time) it being a worse value. By the time Sandy Bridge came around I didn't push much.

I can't see why they would go the 4094-pin route. Why would you use the same pinout as a CPU with double the capacity in almost every sense? Twice the memory channels, twice the cores, twice the physical size, to only use half (roughly) of the pins ? The only reason for such a large socket would be harvesting bad Naples dies, or using die where only half the cores are usable. I just can't see the yields being that bad to make it economically viable.

Though I do see your point and I think 4094 is oddly high, there are a couple things to consider: 1. These CPUs offer more PCIe lanes, and perhaps AMD has a less "physically efficient" way of handling that than Intel. 2. We don't know what AMD plans for the future of this socket, so it wouldn't surprise me if at least 1/4 of the pins will not be in use for a while. For example, there's a rumored 32-core CPU, and who knows what else they may release. They could plan for even more cores, or even more memory channels (after all, Ryzen sure seems to like bandwidth). 3. To my understanding, most of the pins on a CPU are just voltage and ground. When you get clock speeds as ambitious as AMD plans, proper power distribution (and in turn, stability) is key for enterprise markets.

Jesus guys, just stop with the banter already.

As someone who likes both Aura89 and H83 as community members, I think both of you are blowing things a bit out of proportion here... Anyway, I too have anecdotes of people who bought Intel "because that's what ____ said to get" or "but that's a name I know" despite (at the time) it being a worse value. By the time Sandy Bridge came around I didn't push much. Though I do see your point and I think 4094 is oddly high, there are a couple things to consider: 1. These CPUs offer more PCIe lanes, and perhaps AMD has a less "physically efficient" way of handling that than Intel. 2. We don't know what AMD plans for the future of this socket, so it wouldn't surprise me if at least 1/4 of the pins will not be in use for a while. For example, there's a rumored 32-core CPU, and who knows what else they may release. They could plan for even more cores, or even more memory channels (after all, Ryzen sure seems to like bandwidth). 3. To my understanding, most of the pins on a CPU are just voltage and ground. When you get clock speeds as ambitious as AMD plans, proper power distribution (and in turn, stability) is key for enterprise markets.

I suppose since this is a new socket it could be for a future upgrade to a 32c/8-channel chip as you say (maybe on 7nm?), you'd need a new 8-channel motherboard though. AMD sockets do tend to live quite long.

Jesus guys, just stop with the banter already.

Don´t worry i won´t write anything else about this although i think i´ve been very polite about it and i even tried to justify my opinion, right or wrong.