I really hope Guru3d also investigates frame time results along with fps. From what I have seen, even in GPU bound situations we should have a huge decrease in frame time, which inturn will provide a superior, consistent user experience.

Thanks for the review. It appears to be a great technology, especially for CPU-limited games. Hilbert, I'd also like to ask you to avoid using graphs that don't start at 0, when showing performance boost. The top graph at 2nd page starts at 150, giving a bit misleading view. Still, it's a big improvement.

I think it would be interesting to see a benchmark with a low entry Intel CPU rather than only the AMD APU.

So these guys have worked through the night. Enjoy your wel deserved rest driverteam 😀 Still wanted to see how CF290 gains with an i7 CPU.

I'd like to see if it increases min fps or makes the frame rate more consistent

So wait this only helps the new APU's? No love for lano?

Thanks for the review. It appears to be a great technology, especially for CPU-limited games. Hilbert, I'd also like to ask you to avoid using graphs that don't start at 0, when showing performance boost. The top graph at 2nd page starts at 150, giving a bit misleading view. Still, it's a big improvement.

There you go - I think it's pretty clear why only part of it was posted in the review http://i.imgur.com/xVpYIYy.png

This is great if you are the fraction of people out there that will pair up a low end CPU\APU with a super high end GPU. Or if you have a high end system but run BF4 only on medium settings. However high end CPU with high end GPU at max settings will be only an increase of 10% at best. I bet when they test with 290x CF at max settings we will only see about 3-5% increase. Which really is close to the margin of error. Then there is the whole issue with drivers and bugs. Lets be honest, AMD does not have a good track record of releasing new drives and fixing bugs in any sort of timely fashion. I mean just look at this whole driver fiasco. Everyone was thinking that is was DICE fault for not releasing Mantle when it turned to be AMD dragging their feet again with drivers. DICE probably just released the patch for BF4 before the end of Jan, even with out AMD having their drivers ready so people would stop blaming them. They have had their fair share of complaints as is with he state BF4 was released. I am just very skeptical at this point considering AMDs horrible driver track record. I mean they still haven not even released the long ago promised frame pacing driver for multi monitor setups which was supposed to have been out over 6 months ago. However, i still am hoping that Mantle ends up being widely used by the industry as lower level programming is always a good thing. Another thing to take into consideration is Dx is also going to evolve. MS knows that their whole PC gaming and Xbox ecosystem depends on developers using Dx. I bet future Dx releases will no doubt contain a lot of lower level API functions.

Mantle increases my epeen by 45% when discussing Mantle.

So wait this only helps the new APU's? No love for lano?

Llano had no love for quite a while, this is nothing new.

BF4 (SP/MP), R9 290X Mantle vs. GTX 780 : http://pclab.pl/art55953.html

Yikes who would pair up a low end apu and a high end 290x.

I will ... Now i have i5 750, 8gb ram, 6950 2gb..I am still thinking if i should switch to a FX6300 or buy a bigger cooler and OC...In either situation i am buying a R9 290...Playing at 1080p here and it doesn't makes sense to buy a CPU higher than fx6300 performance metric...It's a waste of money..

This is great if you are the fraction of people out there that will pair up a low end CPU\APU with a super high end GPU.

This may save some people alot of money and or allow them to get a better gpu. Say you still have an old phenom 2 CPU if the games you want to play support mantle you can use the money that would have went towards CPU and include that in gpu purchase. Or just say get a cheap amd CPU and higher end gpu on a new purchase. Another thing it does is give developers more CPU function that could be a game changer. Why are there so many amd haters posting out of spite? Lol. Also might give my CPU an extended life.

BF4 (SP/MP), R9 290X Mantle vs. GTX 780 : http://pclab.pl/art55953.html

Interesting to see how little difference a cpu overclock makes with mantle

Ok, from what I've seen si far, I'm pretty impressed. Even a 4770 with 290x gains quite a bit of performance. So I'm assuming with my less powerful cpu and more gpu grunt I should see a big increase in performance.

Very nice looking thus far; particularly for Mainstream Gamers, CPU bound games (RTS anyone?) and perhaps for Crossfire? If Mantle gives ~10% for enthusiast CPU setups with a single r9 290, then I can only wonder if it will be higher then that for dual GPUs, hopefully.

Llano had no love for quite a while, this is nothing new.

I'm not trolling with this but that it is BS that AMD drops driver support for their products so quickly. My GF's laptop is Llano based and I wanted to put BF4 on it to play with Mantle guess that ain't happening.

Very nice looking thus far; particularly for Mainstream Gamers, CPU bound games (RTS anyone?) and perhaps for Crossfire? If Mantle gives ~10% for enthusiast CPU setups with a single r9 290, then I can only wonder if it will be higher then that for dual GPUs, hopefully.

4770k with 290x gives around 20% increase, not bad. Mantle must become THE api for MMOs, someone please make this happen!

I'm not trolling with this but that it is BS that AMD drops driver support for their products so quickly. My GF's laptop is Llano based and I wanted to put BF4 on it to play with Mantle guess that ain't happening.

In a way, you're right. But then again us PC gamers often complain about things being stagnant and developers and hardware manufacturers holding back. a GCN gpu can be had for well bellow £100 so I don't see this as a bad thing.

4770k with 290x gives around 20% increase, not bad. Mantle must become THE api for MMOs, someone please make this happen!

This is why Star Citizen is supporting it.