AMD drops support for non GCN based graphics cards

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Nvidia's last word is that Fermi's DX12 driver will come in time for the first DX12 games
#5195562
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like fermi non existent dx 12 support?
Source?
#5195569
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What I find ironic is that if NVIDIA were the one cutting support for every pre-Kepler graphics card, a lot of the people who are happy about this would be trashing NVIDIA and praising AMD.
#5195580
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Nvidia's last word is that Fermi's DX12 driver will come in time for the first DX12 games
And you believe that? How much life you think its left in Fermi cards? Even Kepler seems underpowered right now.
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like fermi non existent dx 12 support?
Are you joking? Nvidia said Fermi is supported for DX12. Fermi is 2010-, and is supported, while the last non-GCN cards, the 6000 series are 2011 and earlier and are not supported. That's a full two years in difference of support. Granted, the TeraScale --> GCN transition was much more extreme than Fermi --> Kepler (derivative of Fermi if anything), but don't go making up false information.
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And you believe that? How much life you think its left in Fermi cards? Even Kepler seems underpowered right now.
Yes I do believe that. Nvidia knew fully well what they were doing when they promised DX12 support for Fermi. It's a big promise and it'd be a severe blow to Nvidia's image if they were to go back on their words.
#5195625
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Nvidia said Fermi is supported for DX12.
Nvidia knew fully well what they were doing when they promised DX12 support for Fermi.
Notice the highlighted words. They can be wee bit 'slippery'. Many meanings...
#5195633
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Yes I do believe that. Nvidia knew fully well what they were doing when they promised DX12 support for Fermi. It's a big promise and it'd be a severe blow to Nvidia's image if they were to go back on their words.
Word
#5195649
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AMD is out of control.
#5195659
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I don't get all the outrage for 4-6 year old cards if you really cared about performance boosts you would have upgraded by now. Mine isn't quite that old but I wouldn't be all mad if they dropped support for it things change and move on.
#5195668
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Just for marketing AMD could've just kept them in their driver release without actually doing anything with them like nvidia is doing. Rather AMD take the high road and formally announce legacy status for these venerable cards. I much prefer the latter approach.
#5195670
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Nvidia has better/longer lasting driver support...I need to upgrade to nvidia now before amd drop support for mine.
#5195716
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GCN 1.0 will likely be supported for a while yet, maybe even as long as GCN 1.2. GCN 1.1 and 1.2 are really just GCN 1.0 with additional features, the legacy cards being dropped are a completely different architecture. Nvidia can support older video cards simply because they are a similar architecture I believe, at least going back a few cards. Their older cards would be like GCN 1.0 is to 1.2? The other thing with Nvidia is that they may support older cards, but the code for those cards may remain unchanged. The non-architecture specific stuff is still updated though. If you owned one of these cards it would be still attractive to upgrade, but the benefits are likely to be small. It's the same with AMD cards, somebody will probably put out an updated legacy driver with the architecture specific driver files from the Crimson Legacy driver, with the rest of the components upgraded. Like I was saying though, GCN 1.0 is too similar to GCN 1.2, it wouldn't make sense for them to drop support for it as support is very much considerably easier than supporting VLIW4.
The HD 2000-4000 series and 5000-6000 series also had a similiar architecture though. Many were surprised about the DX10 VLIW cards being dropped since they were so similar to the DX11 VLIW cards. I get what you're saying, but AMD's history gives reason for doubt.
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A company announces that no more WHQL drivers will arrive for a ~5+ year old product, therefore, "AMD is out of control"? ROFL and that's coming from a guy desperately clinging to 2006 hardware.. Perspective. It's pretty important. [spoiler] Go Google memes on your own time 😉 [/spoiler]
#5195735
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Let's keep it nice folks.
#5195753
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And I just don't see how it makes sense to be happy about something being moved to legacy just for the sake of it
AMD is a sinking ship. Every product they have to support costs the company money. Discontinuing support for a product means saving money.
Nvidia has better/longer lasting driver support...I need to upgrade to nvidia now before amd drop support for mine.
There's no reason for NVidia not to support GT200 and newer cards. Even Maxwell has roots in the older Tesla (GT200) architecture. NVidia has just done an amazing job at improving the architecture over the years.
The HD 2000-4000 series and 5000-6000 series also had a similiar architecture though. Many were surprised about the DX10 VLIW cards being dropped since they were so similar to the DX11 VLIW cards. I get what you're saying, but AMD's history gives reason for doubt.
HD2000 - HD5000 were all VLIW5 based architectures. HD6870 and lower were VLIW5 while HD6950 and HD6970 were VLIW4. VLIW4 drivers wouldn't work properly on VLIW5 based architectures and vise versa.
#5195770
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3-year-upgrade-cycle believer here. Doesn't affect me as long as they support a product over 3 years.
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As long as there will be legacy drivers for OSs back to at least win7 I'm okay with it, still want to use my passive 5770 as a basic graphics adapter for secondary computers.
#5195835
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No surprises here. I kind of expected it to happen sooner. I don't think there have been any fixes for any games for these old cards in forever. So why put them in to a whql package.
#5195848
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I hope this means better drivers for relevant cards though i am a little disappointed since my richland apu isn't really that old.
My disappointment came at time of release when I found out it is still VLIW4 which I consider failure. AMD had GCN ready at that time, yet that monkey promoted VLIW4 architecture which is probably shorthest living architecture ever. 6950/70/90 should have never seen light of the day as product on shelves. To Topic: Anyway what is support? For most it means that newest drivers can be installed for that old hardware. But as AMD/nVidia are not actually updating those code paths, then what is reason to include them anyway? Including them just so people can get high on placebo? I like direction crimson is going. (not in UI, but in features) And that's what matters to me.

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