Venix:

while that's a good result for the phenom 2 still the phenom is a 4 core 4 thread cpu while the athlon is 2 core 4 thread cpu ! To see how well the phenom fairs against it we will need a 2080ti on your phenom to see the actual difference the bottleneck on your case might even be the 560 or it might be the phenom . Cheers to em though ! i was not expecting em to release a patch to support phenoms and core 2 quads . looking at HH's review https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/far_cry_5_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,4.html seems that your gpu is the bottleneck no 560 in it ...but there is a 460 that would explain the little higher numbers you get . How's the cpu and gpu utilisation if the cpu is 80~90% and the gpu at 100% they would be a perfect match but that changes from game to game how's your experience in general on that front ? sorry for the long blab ... i just find it interesting really 🙂

I thought the bottleneck would be the DDR2 Ram................ To make this post more interesting is that my RX560 card has drivers from 2-3 years ago and they are 17.10.1 !!!!!!! Also I have extra juice because the card has a 6 pin power connector and even though it sucks a lot of juice I do have the GDDR5 4GB over clocked pretty dam high and also the GPU. What's funny is that FARCRY4 is a stutter fest and gave up playing it. FAR CRY5 is one of the most optimized games I have ever played.

Anyone who's buying this for gaming really shouldn't be gaming on a PC. It can game, barely. That said, what a fantastic little CPU. It's $50 and it even has a built in GPU. I'm not sure why anyone would buy this and overclock it but it's neat that you could. Next time I have to build a budget rig, this is on the short list.

@Dimitrios1983 i would not worry ddr2 to be any meaningful bottleneck not till you get on higher performing surgements at the very least , while faster ram can give an advantage i,mid range spec hardware or lower as far it is sufficient to feed the subsystems that using it faster ram will make little to no difference! I mean even ddr4 @4000 assuming you could pair that with the phenom for the shake of the argument if your 560 is already maxed out will give you not noteworthy fps gain .....well at least that's my perception ! @0blivious why not ? Seems to be doing great on league of legends cs go and fortnight and will pretty much run almost everything that predates 2017 60fps locked ,Gaming is not only the latest AAA games maxed out !

Can someone please suggest a cheap yet nice motherboard to go along with this CPU? Cheers

It's always interesting to see the iGPU in a $50 processor outperforming the one in an i7-8700k. Intel made huge iGPU improvements on the 5th gen Broadwells, but I guess there was little incentive to continue that trend.

Dimitrios1983:

Not impressed with the FARCRY 5 results. A patch came out a few days ago for the missing CPU SSE instruction set and my Phenom X4 965BE at 3.7GHZ, 8GB DDR2 Ram ( yes DDR2) RX560 4GB, Windows 7 & an old school 1TB mechanical hard drive on ULTRA settings at 1080P was 37-45FPS!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember that you are comparing a highend CPU that is overclocked and uses around 200watts, to a lowend APU at 40-50watts full load on CPU and GPU. I have a 955BE with DDR3 and it really needs a voltage kick to get above 3400-3500Mhz, the cooling needed was not worth it at all. I changed it out because it could not play BF1 at 1900*1200 with more then 50 FPS. This Athlon 3000 could be a replacement for my AM1 Mediacenter, that has a passive cooler on it.

TLD LARS:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember that you are comparing a highend CPU that is overclocked and uses around 200watts, to a lowend APU at 40-50watts full load on CPU and GPU. I have a 955BE with DDR3 and it really needs a voltage kick to get above 3400-3500Mhz, the cooling needed was not worth it at all. I changed it out because it could not play BF1 at 1900*1200 with more then 50 FPS. This Athlon 3000 could be a replacement for my AM1 Mediacenter, that has a passive cooler on it.

I think the highest I went was 3.9GHZ but I didn't raise the voltage and my gaming performance actually did worse. My chip at 3.7GHZ has the stock voltage still and runs nice and cool. I just ordered a few parts for my Ryzen build and will keep this Phenom just to see how it handles games in the future lol.

Dimitrios1983:

Not impressed with the FARCRY 5 results. A patch came out a few days ago for the missing CPU SSE instruction set and my Phenom X4 965BE at 3.7GHZ, 8GB DDR2 Ram ( yes DDR2) RX560 4GB, Windows 7 & an old school 1TB mechanical hard drive on ULTRA settings at 1080P was 37-45FPS!

So....you're upset that this CPU which is a dual-core CPU compared to your quad-core CPU is besting you? https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965-vs-AMD-Athlon-200GE/606vsm592714 I get that userbenchmark isn't the most reliable, but considering there's no one realistically comparing a 3000g to a 965, and userbenchmark doesn't have the 3000g, nore the 220ge or 240ge which are closer to the 3000g, we'll have to settle for the 200ge Even the 200ge has better performance then your processor. Not really sure how it's not impressive for a dual-core to beat a quad-core processor in pretty much, if not all, scenarios.

Badelhas:

Can someone please suggest a cheap yet nice motherboard to go along with this CPU? Cheers

the Gigabyte B450 Aorus M would be the absolute cheapest i would ever buy for such cpu and this motherboard will never go on anything more than the 3600 really but i highly suggest the msi mortar max if you can find it pretty much the vrm thermals are in line with the tomahawk max and with decent airflow in future you will have no problems handling the 3950x but with out overclock if the msi mortar max is not available on your region the Msi Tomahawk Max is also a great choice same vrm's just worse back panel connectivity really and bigger form factor now if you want something even cheaper pretty much the rest of the motherboards bellow the 80 usd price bracket ....are vrm wise kinda terrible but they will be able to handle the 3000g just fine ....i would be very sceptical to equip em with something stronger in the future the reason i am looking at this with a dead set mind of future updates is because later down the line ...2 ...3....5 years down the line you will have no problems snatching a 3700/3800/3900 ...etc for dirty cheap on the second hand market

Aura89:

So....you're upset that this CPU which is a dual-core CPU compared to your quad-core CPU is besting you? https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965-vs-AMD-Athlon-200GE/606vsm592714 I get that userbenchmark isn't the most reliable, but considering there's no one realistically comparing a 3000g to a 965, and userbenchmark doesn't have the 3000g, nore the 220ge or 240ge which are closer to the 3000g, we'll have to settle for the 200ge Even the 200ge has better performance then your processor. Not really sure how it's not impressive for a dual-core to beat a quad-core processor in pretty much, if not all, scenarios.

Phenoms architecture has been out for the last 15 or so years. Yeah so it has 2 extra cores but that's not the point. It's like you saying a Chevy 350 tbi engine will beat a 4 cyclider car but the catch is that the 4 cylinder uses modern technology to make it comparable to an old V8 engine. Admit it everyone said if they even added the SSE instruction set the Phenom still wouldn't run great. In my point is the false accusations from it not running the game to it running on ULTRA settings is a crazy defeat/surprise!

Is the 3000G not available yet? Would love to get one for my media pc but I can't find it on Newegg or microcenter.

Hilbert has me confused. He and CPU-Z say this is 12nm but AMD's website says 14nm. This would be a great cpu if you don't want to do any more than browse the internet, watch movies, and some word processing. It's rather efficient for simple tasks. My 2400G computer (SATA SSD, NVME SSD, DVD-R, 2 case fans), 43" 4K HDTV, and Router/modem combined rarely draws more than 110 watts at the wall while often using only 80-90 watts. This Athlon would use less than that. I bought a R3 1200 to get an early look at AM4. I would have bought an Athlon had it been available at the time. The 1200 may become more valuable than an Athlon at a later date. I'll likely keep it if I ever need to reflash an older motherboard. The Athlon can't do that with many of the earliest AM4 motherboards.

boerenlater:

Will this be a good upgrade for my fx4300? I don't game anymore on pc. Also going from 8gb of DDR3 to 16gb of DDR4 then.

I don't know if you could really call it an upgrade. It's much more efficient but it's total multithreaded performance may be no better. It's single core performance is much better. A 2200G or 3200G would be a nice upgrade for the fx4300. I doubt you need as much as 16 GB of DDR4 for a 2 or 4 core Ryzen. I rarely use more than 2 GB of RAM while using my Ryzens. Many things you might do that would require a lot of RAM should probably be done on a 6 or 8 core cpu.

Youkinen:

Is there some good reason why one wouldn't make... Let's say 3c 6t cpu?

That's an interesting question. With Athlons and Ryzen Gs using one ccx, they should be able to make them 1,2,3, or 4 cores.

Order_66:

Is the 3000G not available yet? Would love to get one for my media pc but I can't find it on Newegg or microcenter.

No, it's not available yet... I was looking to buy one to replace an aging (rather poorly, even for what it is) Intel J1800 system....

JethroTu11:

Hilbert has me confused. He and CPU-Z say this is 12nm but AMD's website says 14nm.

Hmmmz, I am double-checking this with AMD next week. I am under the impression that it was the optimized 12nm node, CPU-Z indeed backs that up. However, if AMD is listing 14nm, then there is a strong chance it indeed is 14nm. I'll get back and update on this.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

I am under the impression that it was the optimized 12nm node, CPU-Z indeed backs that up.

I thought it would be 12nm. I checked again before I first posted and checked again before this post. It's still listed as 14 nm on this link. https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-athlon-300ge AMD may have made a mistake on their website. Ryzen production has interested me. I've been watching the closest Microcenter's inventory. I'd guess AMD produced the most or for the longest time Ryzen 1600, 2200G, 2400G, and Athlon 2*0GE. Those cpus appear to still get restocked.

JethroTu11:

I thought it would be 12nm. I checked again before I first posted and checked again before this post. It's still listed as 14 nm on this link. https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-athlon-300ge AMD may have made a mistake on their website. Ryzen production has interested me. I've been watching the closest Microcenter's inventory. I'd guess AMD produced the most or for the longest time Ryzen 1600, 2200G, 2400G, and Athlon 2*0GE. Those cpus appear to still get restocked.

That product page is for the Athlon 300GE.....different processor. Still listed as 14nm though, this is the correct page for the reviewed processor: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-athlon-3000g Only real difference, according to the 2 pages, is the designated processor name and base clock.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

Hmmmz, I am double-checking this with AMD next week. I am under the impression that it was the optimized 12nm node, CPU-Z indeed backs that up. However, if AMD is listing 14nm, then there is a strong chance it indeed is 14nm. I'll get back and update on this.

The page does in fact say 14nm for both the Athlon 300GE and Athlon 3000G. Here is the correct product page for the Athlon 3000G https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-athlon-3000g

Confirmed 14nm

So it's not Zen+ ?