$749 Ryzen 9 3950X Beats $2000 Intel Core i9-9980XE (18-core) in Geekbench Test

schmidtbag

2019-06-13 20:30

FrostNixon:

This sounded almost legit until I saw those prices. Now it's plain bullshit.

Any time some random stranger (who, in this case, is known to piss people off) starts stating random info and says not to ask where it came from, it might as well go ignored.

#5680508

fredgml7

2019-06-13 20:37

karma777police:

2066 socket on x299 chipset is going mainstream this fall. There will be an updated X299 chipset but both will support new Cascade Lake X CPU for 2066 socket. Don't ask me where I got this info. Updated x299 chipset will bring better support for USB, M.2, Wifi 6 among other tweaks and such. No PCIe 4.0 but that's not a big deal. PCIe 5 is coming sometimes next year. New CPU will yield better clock speed than Skylake-X so you will see 18/36 part running at same clock speed as 3950x with a bit more agressive Turbo Overclocking. Good news the current 2066 socket motherboard owners will be able to use this new CPU with the BIOS Update which will be released sometime in September. Intel is going to offer extra 2 cores for about same price. New CPU will bring ~3% IPC improvement and tweaked memory controller supporting @DDR4 3000 Here is the pricing for this fall... $999 - Cascade Lake X 20/40 $799 - Cascade Lake X 18/36 $699 - Cascade Lake X 16/32 $599 - Cascade Lake X 14/28 $499 - Cascade Lake X 12/24 $399 - Cascade Lake X 10/20 $299 - Cascade Lake X 8/16 $199 - Cascade Lake X 6/12 LGA 1151 is basically going away. A new 10gen 10nm processor scheduled for Laptops and Notebooks will go ahead as planned and then next year Cascade Lake X will be replaced by 10nm counterpart. New Workstation line is on socket 3467 which we saw with Mac Pro. I'd say wait cause AMD is about to face a major kick back from Intel this fall. AMD cannot release no more than 16/32 setup on AM4 because of the nature of their design. So Intel is going to offer 20/40 for $999 or better say 2 extra cores for the price of 3950x. By the time 3950x is out in the stores we will see new CPU and new pricing for 2066 socket.

That's not impossible but, have you seen any precedent like that from Intel? What's going to happen to you if AMD has the best CPUs for a while? I just don't get it.

#5680529

Deckard

2019-06-13 21:11

lol I had dark mode on and didnt see HH post on front page linking this sry HH

#5680548

CPC_RedDawn

2019-06-13 21:53

Undying:

Didnt they said how zen2 can go up to 64 cores? R9 3950x 16/32 TR 3990x 32/64 Epyc 64/128

BINGO!!! They have room in the next TR for a better binned 16/32 than the 3950X, then we shall see at least 3 differently binned 32/64 TR parts maybe even 4 parts. Then Epyc might have a better binned 32/64 part for entry, then they will probably have god knows how many SKUs of Epyc in the 64/128 range.... GOD KNOWS!!! GO AMD!!!

#5680562

MaxBlade

2019-06-13 22:46

You can always tell the newbies.. we hear AMD is CHAMPION or INTEL IS....yet.. these "benchmarks" lol ALWAYS come out. Then.. we get to the real world tests and gee what happen? I always have both intel amd. But Intel HAS chips out.. been out since? And Amd hasn't even launched yet. AMD is still playing catch up. The 3000 are AWESOME chips. But you KNOW they wont smoke intel in all ares. <---thats what will be left out but fans. So Intel WILL come out with something better.. and AMD will then AGAIN have to play catch-up. Been like this for YEARS. One is always top dog for a few months. Someone asked what if AMD has the best chip for awhile. Net worth allone.. Intel is huge. Would not but a dent in them.. like Linus did to the AMD GPU (some will get it). So get over it.. You DONT want one better for awhile. PRICES go up. WE US dont ever want that. WE US want AMD INTEL to always going at each other.

#5680571

Clawedge

2019-06-13 23:12

Ok i have an official leaked video from intel labs, its abit large, so i decided not to embed it. click on this link to see whats happening at intel https://dump.video/i/KIBl22.mp4

#5680577

BReal85

2019-06-13 23:52

Undying:

Funny thing is that 3950x will beat 9980x even in gaming. Intel has nothing on AMD besides higher pricing.

The blue-eyed guys can say they still have the more expensive CPU. 😀

#5680580

HeavyHemi

2019-06-14 00:16

Oh....how many times have I seen giddy threads from starry eyed AMD fans...only to be... #JustWait I hope for all you AMD warriors doing battle with your (where are they) jealous mob of intel users...(and for competition) that THIS TIME, AMD is competitive core for core with the paradigm most here care about the most: desktop gaming. TL:DR, until AMD proves they ARE better, this is just SSDD, no matter how many times you release the same AMD pressers.

#5680596

Gomez Addams

2019-06-14 00:55

If you like really high resolution displays you won't see any difference between two CPUs that are a few percentage points apart. The only thing noticeable will be the size of the dent in your budget.

#5680604

mackintosh

2019-06-14 01:20

These threads always devolve into fanboys going at each other, while the rest of us wait for Hilbert's benchmarks. I never understood why people who otherwise have no vested interest become so attached to corporations whose only raison d'etre is to make money for their shareholders.

#5680611

theoneofgod

2019-06-14 02:11

Gomez Addams:

If you like really high resolution displays you won't see any difference between two CPUs that are a few percentage points apart. The only thing noticeable will be the size of the dent in your budget.

Luckily CPU's can do more than just run games

#5680631

sverek

2019-06-14 04:11

mackintosh:

These threads always devolve into fanboys going at each other, while the rest of us wait for Hilbert's benchmarks. I never understood why people who otherwise have no vested interest become so attached to corporations whose only raison d'etre is to make money for their shareholders.

Pride of an owner ship! Dem 1ntel is p4rt 0f mah Idientiety! H0w dar u say somth aggainst 1t! Mah ego yo!

#5680635

Aura89

2019-06-14 05:52

FrostNixon:

This sounded almost legit until I saw those prices. Now it's plain bullshit.

Don't worry, this guy doesn't know squat about anything unannounced. He claimed there would be no 16 core processor on AM4 platform ever, so.....

#5680711

X7007

2019-06-14 11:03

For me now AMD is like Power Ranger and Thunder Cats. They started small and now crushing Intel with every single direction. CPU's Including Security/Performance and even Price. and now on Consoles, Laptops and soon Mobile Phones. Intel are done for. I won't even think of buying Intel, there is no competition anymore. and I know AMD won't screw this up like Intel did for this past 6 years. Intel can keep going with their Tick-Tock C** like they did all this time. We'll see where it'll take them.. uh wait.. we already did. BOOOM

#5680724

Andy Watson

2019-06-14 12:11

It's great that fanboys are getting excited about this and dissing the opposition, shows there is some competition still in this sector and gives some entertainment. Long may it continue. I'll be interested to see how the 3600X performs. Has enough cores for most home uses and with air cooling should be able to get them all running speedily. Good bang per buck perhaps .

#5680725

Andy Watson

2019-06-14 12:13

karma777police:

2066 socket on x299 chipset is going mainstream this fall. There will be an updated X299 chipset but both will support new Cascade Lake X CPU for 2066 socket. Don't ask me where I got this info. Updated x299 chipset will bring better support for USB, M.2, Wifi 6 among other tweaks and such. No PCIe 4.0 but that's not a big deal. PCIe 5 is coming sometimes next year. New CPU will yield better clock speed than Skylake-X so you will see 18/36 part running at same clock speed as 3950x with a bit more agressive Turbo Overclocking. Good news the current 2066 socket motherboard owners will be able to use this new CPU with the BIOS Update which will be released sometime in September. Intel is going to offer extra 2 cores for about same price. New CPU will bring ~3% IPC improvement and tweaked memory controller supporting @DDR4 3000 Here is the pricing for this fall... $999 - Cascade Lake X 20/40 $799 - Cascade Lake X 18/36 $699 - Cascade Lake X 16/32 $599 - Cascade Lake X 14/28 $499 - Cascade Lake X 12/24 $399 - Cascade Lake X 10/20 $299 - Cascade Lake X 8/16 $199 - Cascade Lake X 6/12 LGA 1151 is basically going away. A new 10gen 10nm processor scheduled for Laptops and Notebooks will go ahead as planned and then next year Cascade Lake X will be replaced by 10nm counterpart. New Workstation line is on socket 3467 which we saw with Mac Pro. I'd say wait cause AMD is about to face a major kick back from Intel this fall. AMD cannot release no more than 16/32 setup on AM4 because of the nature of their design. So Intel is going to offer 20/40 for $999 or better say 2 extra cores for the price of 3950x. By the time 3950x is out in the stores we will see new CPU and new pricing for 2066 socket.

"No PCIe 4.0 but that's not a big deal. PCIe 5 is coming sometimes next year." So after all that you are saying don't buy this, wait till next year? You'll never make a good door to door salesman with that patter 🙂

#5680727

Undying

2019-06-14 12:25

Andy Watson:

I'll be interested to see how the 3600X performs. Has enough cores for most home uses and with air cooling should be able to get them all running speedily. Good bang per buck perhaps .

Some leaks already showed 3600x beating the 8700k. For a 199/249$ thats really great bang for your buck.

#5680739

DeskStar

2019-06-14 12:50

I just want to know what kind of impact on performance the interconnect is going to have from motherboard to CPU. There's only so many lanes (X4) for the throughput of everything off the mobo to talk to the CPU. So how exactly does that not bottleneck the rest of the system?? If one has an NVME drive (maybe two) there's eight lanes taken right there from the motherboard. Something I've read about on how these cpu's will communicate with the rest of the hardware....maybe someone can elaborate more on this for me please....??

#5680746

Denial

2019-06-14 13:16

DeskStar:

I just want to know what kind of impact on performance the interconnect is going to have from motherboard to CPU. There's only so many lanes (X4) for the throughput of everything off the mobo to talk to the CPU. So how exactly does that not bottleneck the rest of the system?? If one has an NVME drive (maybe two) there's eight lanes taken right there from the motherboard. Something I've read about on how these cpu's will communicate with the rest of the hardware....maybe someone can elaborate more on this for me please....??

The 4 lanes are PCI-E Gen 4, so you're essentially getting 8x 3.0 lanes between the CPU/Motherboard + an additional 20 PCI-E 4 lanes directly from the CPU. I'm sure there will be some configurations where you're limited in bandwidth but this is a consumer part and not HEDT despite core counts.

#5680751

Loophole35

2019-06-14 13:34

Undying:

Some leaks already showed 3600x beating the 8700k. For a 199/249$ thats really great bang for your buck.

I hope this is true, but as always will wait to see Hilbert's review. He already confirmed to me that there will be no performance difference from the CPU on x470 vs. x570 and also stated that x470 will support the faster memory for Ryzen 3000. July 7th can't get here fast enough.