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Ryzen Threadripper 4000 Codename - AMD Genesis (and Vermeer): spotted in AIDA64
While we still have to see even a sign of life for the Threadripper 3000 series, some speculation on the 4000 (ZEN3) series already has begun as the database of AIDA64 gives a hint. In AIDA64 the code names "Vermeer" and "Genesis" appeared. And the last one is a next-gen Threadripper.
Vermeer is said to stand for Ryzen 4000 and Zen 3 overall, actually that is common knowledge. Genesis, however, is new and might be a synonym to Genesis Peak in the US state of Washington, in the immediate vicinity of Castle Peak and Colfax Peak. On the thesis, it is assumed Genesis is Threadripper 4000, because Threadripper 3000 has the codename Castle Peak reserved, while Threadripper 2000 is Colfax (Peak).
- AMD Family 19h Models 00h-0h, "Genesis"
- AMD Family 19h Models 20h-2h, "Vermeer"
This is, of course, all wild speculation. Whatever Zen 3 will bring to the table is speculation. PCI Express 5.0 and DDR5 are an option, but whether this will really happen is rather uncertain. Another speculation is that the SMT will handle four threads per core, which is an interesting thing all by itself.
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#5693884 Posted on: 07/24/2019 12:39 PM
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It will be interesting to see if those rumours are true, and what will they bring to the table. 4 SMT per core? That sounds like a multitasking beast for low core count, affordable CPUs (4/6/8). Or a windows scheduler nightmare.
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It will be interesting to see if those rumours are true, and what will they bring to the table. 4 SMT per core? That sounds like a multitasking beast for low core count, affordable CPUs (4/6/8). Or a windows scheduler nightmare.
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#5693927 Posted on: 07/24/2019 03:58 PM
That would be pretty interesting if they decide to skip 3000, but I guess it kinda makes sense if they do. Unlike AM4, they don't have any "throw-away" CPUs to lend to people to upgrade the BIOS. Though, it would be kinda funny if they lent over a 1900X so people could do an upgrade.
I'm sure people are going to expect PCIe 4.0 too, which just isn't going to happen on those boards. PCIe 4.0 made the X570 boards very expensive, so I can't imagine how much more that cost would multiply on a X599 board, which has so many more slots.
Personally, I find it a little odd that they'd even make a TR 4000 series. AM4 already has 16 cores. Assuming they make a fresh new AM5 socket for DDR5, wouldn't it make more sense to just squeeze in some more pins to replace TR entirely?
That would be pretty interesting if they decide to skip 3000, but I guess it kinda makes sense if they do. Unlike AM4, they don't have any "throw-away" CPUs to lend to people to upgrade the BIOS. Though, it would be kinda funny if they lent over a 1900X so people could do an upgrade.
I'm sure people are going to expect PCIe 4.0 too, which just isn't going to happen on those boards. PCIe 4.0 made the X570 boards very expensive, so I can't imagine how much more that cost would multiply on a X599 board, which has so many more slots.
Personally, I find it a little odd that they'd even make a TR 4000 series. AM4 already has 16 cores. Assuming they make a fresh new AM5 socket for DDR5, wouldn't it make more sense to just squeeze in some more pins to replace TR entirely?
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#5693941 Posted on: 07/24/2019 04:40 PM
I have sad before, the upcoming TR will be 4XX0 SKU since there is no space left after 3950X that AM4 ha taken, this time AMD can play with Chiplet count to offer higher or lower Cache size, so they need at-least 5 SKU's for 16C/24C/32C/48C/64C.
Also new platform gonna be super expansive if they gonna use the large IO die form ROME as a chipset- it can use upto 40W IMO, so this new TR line won't be cheap since it won't have any competition from Intel when released.
I have sad before, the upcoming TR will be 4XX0 SKU since there is no space left after 3950X that AM4 ha taken, this time AMD can play with Chiplet count to offer higher or lower Cache size, so they need at-least 5 SKU's for 16C/24C/32C/48C/64C.
Also new platform gonna be super expansive if they gonna use the large IO die form ROME as a chipset- it can use upto 40W IMO, so this new TR line won't be cheap since it won't have any competition from Intel when released.
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#5693944 Posted on: 07/24/2019 04:56 PM
Not necessarily. If they were to make a TR 3000 series and the rumors that a 64c model were to exist, this could be the hypothetical lineup:
3910X: 16c/32t
3930X: 24c/48t (I never understood why they did 1920X and 2920X, instead of 1930X and 2930X)
3950X: 32c/64t
3970X: 48c/96t
3990X: 64c/128t
I'm sure it'll still be cheaper than the aging 7980XE lol.
I have sad before, the upcoming TR will be 4XX0 SKU since there is no space left after 3950X that AM4 ha taken, this time AMD can play with Chiplet count to offer higher or lower Cache size, so they need at-least 5 SKU's for 16C/24C/32C/48C/64C.
Not necessarily. If they were to make a TR 3000 series and the rumors that a 64c model were to exist, this could be the hypothetical lineup:
3910X: 16c/32t
3930X: 24c/48t (I never understood why they did 1920X and 2920X, instead of 1930X and 2930X)
3950X: 32c/64t
3970X: 48c/96t
3990X: 64c/128t
Also new platform gonna be super expansive if they gonna use the large IO die form ROME as a chipset- it can use upto 40W IMO, so this new TR line won't be cheap since it won't have any competition from Intel when released.
I'm sure it'll still be cheaper than the aging 7980XE lol.
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