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Ryzen 4000 rumors: Allegedly can offer an up-to 20 percent extra perf over Ryzen 3000
New sources report further performance gains with Ryzen 4000 - there is talk of 17 percent more IPC and 100 to 200 MHz higher clock frequencies.
AMD has been very successful with its Zen 2 architecture, you know it as Ryzen 3000. This generation is to be followed by Zen 3 at the end of 2020 and now is rumored to offer significantly more performance plus than previously assumed. RedTechGaming reports this citing several independent sources. We can only assume the new processors will be called Ryzen 4000 and will outperform Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) significantly. Compared to Zen+ (Ryzen 2000), AMD promised 15 percent perf just based on just IPC.
AMD Zen 3 (Source: Red Gaming Tech)
- the integer performance should be about 10-12% higher
- the FPU performance should be up to 50% higher
- the average IPC gain should come out at + 17%
- the clock rate gain of the current engineering samples (for the server area) is 100-200 MHz
- the number of CPU cores from Ryzen 4000 should be equal to Ryzen 3000
AMD would be making several adjustments: Integer performance (integer calculations) will increase with 10 to 12 percent, while FPU performance (floating-point calculations) should increase by up to 50 percent. At the same time, slightly higher clock rates are expected. There is chatter of 100 to 200 MHz, which, together with the 17 percent increase in IPC, suggests a core performance increase of around anywhere from 15 to 20 percent compared to Zen2.
The new chips will be fabbed on the new 7 nm EUV (Extreme Ultraviolet) process from contract manufacturer TSMC and the architecture seems to be updated once again. Zen3 is said to be the last generation for the now aging AM4 socket. AMD will keep the number of cores similar to Ryzen 3000, which is six to sixteen physical CPU cores.
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#5745560 Posted on: 12/27/2019 11:21 AM
This sounds awesome! If a 16 core monster could be faster then current one then AMD will win win!!!
This sounds awesome! If a 16 core monster could be faster then current one then AMD will win win!!!
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#5745576 Posted on: 12/27/2019 12:27 PM
Argh ok, when this is out i bump up my 2700x and i transfer it in my mame machine, hoping it will outperform my current i5 third gen...
Argh ok, when this is out i bump up my 2700x and i transfer it in my mame machine, hoping it will outperform my current i5 third gen...
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#5745581 Posted on: 12/27/2019 01:00 PM
That's a lot considering Zen2 already had quite higher IPC than intel's offerings.
But that is to be expected since Zen2 => Zen3 move is not just some number iteration, but actual improvement in architecture.
That's a lot considering Zen2 already had quite higher IPC than intel's offerings.
But that is to be expected since Zen2 => Zen3 move is not just some number iteration, but actual improvement in architecture.
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#5745596 Posted on: 12/27/2019 01:50 PM
Hopefully they can bring the 16 core price to 500 USD? But that will depend on Intel answer, if they have any.
My 2600 is doing great, I'll wait for R5000 so I can see R4000 price drop.
These last 2 years were very interesting, if only Randeon would step up their game a bit...
Hopefully they can bring the 16 core price to 500 USD? But that will depend on Intel answer, if they have any.
My 2600 is doing great, I'll wait for R5000 so I can see R4000 price drop.
These last 2 years were very interesting, if only Randeon would step up their game a bit...
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#5745607 Posted on: 12/27/2019 02:12 PM
We can expect the new 12 core CPU if there is one, to be close to what's a 16 core CPU Zen2. But due to better silicon, i guess that we can expect these processors to maintain higher clocks speeds for higher periods of time. if my 3900x clocks at 4.150/4.1Ghz at Stock then a similar CPU would clock around the 4.250 to 4.350 mark this is all multicore and in Single-core performance might sustain it highest clock most of the time just like the 2700x did with PE enable.
We can expect the new 12 core CPU if there is one, to be close to what's a 16 core CPU Zen2. But due to better silicon, i guess that we can expect these processors to maintain higher clocks speeds for higher periods of time. if my 3900x clocks at 4.150/4.1Ghz at Stock then a similar CPU would clock around the 4.250 to 4.350 mark this is all multicore and in Single-core performance might sustain it highest clock most of the time just like the 2700x did with PE enable.
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#5745622 Posted on: 12/27/2019 03:19 PM
That would be quite impressive if these rumors are true. If it weren't for the firmware issues and over-ambitious clocks, Zen2 had already exceeded most people's expectations. Granted, Zen2 still doesn't beat Intel in every regard, so, as long as Intel's aging architecture is still winning in some situations, AMD still has work to do. The only tricky part is, there's only so much AMD can do about the latency situation.
That would be quite impressive if these rumors are true. If it weren't for the firmware issues and over-ambitious clocks, Zen2 had already exceeded most people's expectations. Granted, Zen2 still doesn't beat Intel in every regard, so, as long as Intel's aging architecture is still winning in some situations, AMD still has work to do. The only tricky part is, there's only so much AMD can do about the latency situation.
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#5745623 Posted on: 12/27/2019 03:24 PM
Seems to good to be true but who knows... Even better would be to if the future 4600x was an eight core part!...
Seems to good to be true but who knows... Even better would be to if the future 4600x was an eight core part!...
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#5745626 Posted on: 12/27/2019 03:32 PM
Can You please tell me where, except games, intel wins AMD right now? And that is only because higher clocks, right? Am i missed something?
That would be quite impressive if these rumors are true. If it weren't for the firmware issues and over-ambitious clocks, Zen2 had already exceeded most people's expectations. Granted, Zen2 still doesn't beat Intel in every regard, so, as long as Intel's aging architecture is still winning in some situations, AMD still has work to do. The only tricky part is, there's only so much AMD can do about the latency situation.
Can You please tell me where, except games, intel wins AMD right now? And that is only because higher clocks, right? Am i missed something?
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#5745630 Posted on: 12/27/2019 03:45 PM
That's still enough for marketing purposes...
Can You please tell me where, except games, intel wins AMD right now? And that is only because higher clocks, right? Am i missed something?
That's still enough for marketing purposes...
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#5745632 Posted on: 12/27/2019 03:46 PM
I'm Waiting for my 3950x now, but I am also glad to hear that the newer CPU comes out maybe with DDR5 support.
I'm Waiting for my 3950x now, but I am also glad to hear that the newer CPU comes out maybe with DDR5 support.
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#5745633 Posted on: 12/27/2019 03:57 PM
What about B550 ? a B550 motherboard + Ryzen 4600 would be a nice change for me.
What about B550 ? a B550 motherboard + Ryzen 4600 would be a nice change for me.
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#5745638 Posted on: 12/27/2019 04:31 PM
Intel still wins or is on-par in cases where latency matters, which for the most part is games, particularly those that are CPU-bound. That also in turn makes Intel a more ideal choice for robotics, though, I personally would advocate for ARM over Intel when it comes to robots, since ARM has even better latency (especially when it comes to inter-core communication) and lower power consumption. AMD wins where total duration and performance-per-watt matters (which is basically everything else not yet mentioned).
EDIT:
Oh yeah Intel also wins at AVX512, but... that's pretty niche.
Can You please tell me where, except games, intel wins AMD right now? And that is only because higher clocks, right? Am i missed something?
Intel still wins or is on-par in cases where latency matters, which for the most part is games, particularly those that are CPU-bound. That also in turn makes Intel a more ideal choice for robotics, though, I personally would advocate for ARM over Intel when it comes to robots, since ARM has even better latency (especially when it comes to inter-core communication) and lower power consumption. AMD wins where total duration and performance-per-watt matters (which is basically everything else not yet mentioned).
EDIT:
Oh yeah Intel also wins at AVX512, but... that's pretty niche.
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#5745646 Posted on: 12/27/2019 05:05 PM
It feels like it's ready for another June release date but earlier estimates were end of next year. I really hope these puppies come sooner than later. Keeping ahead of Intel for a while pushing them out of the market for a bit to re-establish the AMD name as high performance and gather more market share. Will do us good as consumers later on.
It feels like it's ready for another June release date but earlier estimates were end of next year. I really hope these puppies come sooner than later. Keeping ahead of Intel for a while pushing them out of the market for a bit to re-establish the AMD name as high performance and gather more market share. Will do us good as consumers later on.
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#5745663 Posted on: 12/27/2019 06:18 PM
Adobé as well. For now it like the frequency that the Intel parts can run at. But really it’s that and games. Intel will likely lose that after the end of 2020 then they will be fully in catch up mode.
Can You please tell me where, except games, intel wins AMD right now? And that is only because higher clocks, right? Am i missed something?
Adobé as well. For now it like the frequency that the Intel parts can run at. But really it’s that and games. Intel will likely lose that after the end of 2020 then they will be fully in catch up mode.
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Hoping for sub 40ns memorylatency!