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Ryzen 3000 processors get Soldered IHS
More news from the AMD front today. AMD Ryzen 3000 series processors will feature a soldered integrated heat spreader (IHS). This comes at no surprise as the previous AMD Ryzen processors also featured a soldered IHS.
A soldered IHS for the heat dissipation of the processor overall is better than using paste. Intel only uses soldered ihs for overclockable -K processors. The benefits of a soldered on IHS are much lower overall temperatures. AMD’s latest offering of “Matisse” processors, or Ryzen 3000 series, are expected to run pretty cool overall thanks to this and the fact that it is built on AMD’s new 7nm process (Zen 2). Ryzen 3000 will have a dual-chip module for the higher-end series, and a single internal core for mid to lower end. Additionally, there is a single 14nm controller die for that functions as I/O interface for what is called its chiplet design.
Spotted: Ryzen 3000 Six core proc with 3.2 GHz faster than Ryzen 7 2700X - 05/26/2019 05:59 PM
A leaked geekbench entry is making rounds this weekend, a six-kernel Ryzen 3000 was spotted, presumably the new entry-level processor from AMD. It seems it has a higher single-core performance than t...
AMD Computex 2019 Keynote: watch the livestream with X570 / Ryzen 3000 Announcements - 05/26/2019 05:49 PM
AMD will open with the Computex's 2019 Opening Keynote. Anyone who gets up early (Europe) on Monday, May 27th, or stays awake for a long time, will be able to watch the presentation in the live strea...
Ryzen 3000: Zen-2 CPUs get JEDEC 3200 MHz Specification - 05/24/2019 08:28 AM
New detail on upcoming Ryzen 3000 CPUs with Zen 2 architecture has been leaked. The integrated memory controller is designed, according to information from circles of motherboard manufacturers, for DD...
AMD Ryzen 3000: New Block diagram about PCIe 4.0 on Matisse and X570 chipset - 05/23/2019 09:51 AM
Another block diagram of a more official nature leaked, this one holds the X570 chipset breakdown alongside the specs and Ryzen 3000. It's clear already that Ryzen 3000 CPUs (Matisse) and the X570 c...
AIDA64: Update v6.00 brings Ryzen 3000 specific benchmarks - 05/22/2019 09:18 AM
Yesterday we updated our Finalwire download with a v6.00 revision for AIDA64, which includes some major enhancements. Included are revised benchmarks and stability tests for AMD's upcoming Zen 2 pro...
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#5676183 Posted on: 06/03/2019 10:13 AM
I'm looking forward to the benchmarks!
I'm looking forward to the benchmarks!
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#5676191 Posted on: 06/03/2019 10:46 AM
Over a full month...
I'm looking forward to the benchmarks!
Over a full month...
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#5676193 Posted on: 06/03/2019 10:52 AM
AMD personnel should go easy on memes and casual statements.
AMD personnel should go easy on memes and casual statements.
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#5676233 Posted on: 06/03/2019 01:16 PM
So much scrutiny.
+1 to AMD for doing this.
AMD personnel should go easy on memes and casual statements.
So much scrutiny.
+1 to AMD for doing this.
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#5676397 Posted on: 06/03/2019 10:40 PM
Didnt intel state way back on 22nm that they couldn't solder anymore due to the chips being too small and causing micro-cracks and what not? Somehow AMD is doing it all the way down to 7nm. People can defend intel all they want but we all know it was just to save a buck while increasing prices further.
Didnt intel state way back on 22nm that they couldn't solder anymore due to the chips being too small and causing micro-cracks and what not? Somehow AMD is doing it all the way down to 7nm. People can defend intel all they want but we all know it was just to save a buck while increasing prices further.
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#5676402 Posted on: 06/03/2019 10:55 PM
Makes me wonder if intel is using TIM instead of solder so it keeps people from overclocking so far. If you want a really good overclock De-lid then your warranty is in toilet so keeps them from being responsible for, if they don't solder it keeps you from overclocking so much. Just a thought ... I was bored.
Makes me wonder if intel is using TIM instead of solder so it keeps people from overclocking so far. If you want a really good overclock De-lid then your warranty is in toilet so keeps them from being responsible for, if they don't solder it keeps you from overclocking so much. Just a thought ... I was bored.
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#5676404 Posted on: 06/03/2019 11:11 PM
It was heat density and increased failure rates. It's not like its impossible for Intel to use solder its just that when you ship 8x the number of chips that AMD does the failure rate hits your bottom line more. Not to mention differences in architecture, process, solder used, may all contribute to differences in decision making on this.
Didnt intel state way back on 22nm that they couldn't solder anymore due to the chips being too small and causing micro-cracks and what not? Somehow AMD is doing it all the way down to 7nm. People can defend intel all they want but we all know it was just to save a buck while increasing prices further.
It was heat density and increased failure rates. It's not like its impossible for Intel to use solder its just that when you ship 8x the number of chips that AMD does the failure rate hits your bottom line more. Not to mention differences in architecture, process, solder used, may all contribute to differences in decision making on this.
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#5676437 Posted on: 06/04/2019 01:25 AM
The Ryzen Serial Killer is coming!!! This chip with a CLC280 and a Gelid GC Extreme will be VERY FUN!
The Ryzen Serial Killer is coming!!! This chip with a CLC280 and a Gelid GC Extreme will be VERY FUN!
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#5676445 Posted on: 06/04/2019 01:57 AM
Many retailers will sell their Intel CPUs delidded, using liquid metal, with warranty for a small premium. With a guaranteed overclock.
Also, like Hilbert states in the OP, the previous generation also featured solder and the overclocks weren't groundbreaking and the temps also weren't anything wow.
Still, nice to see AMD using the best possible way to keep the chip cool.
Makes me wonder if intel is using TIM instead of solder so it keeps people from overclocking so far. If you want a really good overclock De-lid then your warranty is in toilet so keeps them from being responsible for, if they don't solder it keeps you from overclocking so much. Just a thought ... I was bored.
Many retailers will sell their Intel CPUs delidded, using liquid metal, with warranty for a small premium. With a guaranteed overclock.
Also, like Hilbert states in the OP, the previous generation also featured solder and the overclocks weren't groundbreaking and the temps also weren't anything wow.
Still, nice to see AMD using the best possible way to keep the chip cool.
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#5676732 Posted on: 06/04/2019 08:41 PM
Never had issue with controlling heat and overclocking Intel CPUs. i7820x @ 4.8Ghz running top 68 C on all cores. No delid. Not sure about AMD CPUs, the last AMD CPU I had was AMD 64 San Diego.
Never had issue with controlling heat and overclocking Intel CPUs. i7820x @ 4.8Ghz running top 68 C on all cores. No delid. Not sure about AMD CPUs, the last AMD CPU I had was AMD 64 San Diego.
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#5676768 Posted on: 06/04/2019 10:24 PM
Not really sure how that makes sense.
If your fail rate was the same between companies, lets say 1/8th were defective, no matter how much money you put into it, the bottom line stays the same, 1/8th fail rate.
If you can decrease the failrate by 25%, no matter how much money you throw at it, the bottom line is a 25% decrease.
Company size and how much money is thrown into something doesn't change bottom lines, it just makes bigger companies see a bigger dollar amount, without regarding profits and sales, in the defective category. Percents and profit are what matter.
If a company thinks they can save 25% of their failed chips, no matter how much money that is, they will want to make more money, again regardless of total dollar amount. The difference is if a company will cheapen their products to do so, quality wise, vs another company deciding not to cheapen their product, quality wise. Both are valid decisions, doesn't mean the consumer should be happy about buying cheapened products for the same or more cost. Again, companies choice, but consumers have a choice too.
It was heat density and increased failure rates. It's not like its impossible for Intel to use solder its just that when you ship 8x the number of chips that AMD does the failure rate hits your bottom line more.
Not really sure how that makes sense.
If your fail rate was the same between companies, lets say 1/8th were defective, no matter how much money you put into it, the bottom line stays the same, 1/8th fail rate.
If you can decrease the failrate by 25%, no matter how much money you throw at it, the bottom line is a 25% decrease.
Company size and how much money is thrown into something doesn't change bottom lines, it just makes bigger companies see a bigger dollar amount, without regarding profits and sales, in the defective category. Percents and profit are what matter.
If a company thinks they can save 25% of their failed chips, no matter how much money that is, they will want to make more money, again regardless of total dollar amount. The difference is if a company will cheapen their products to do so, quality wise, vs another company deciding not to cheapen their product, quality wise. Both are valid decisions, doesn't mean the consumer should be happy about buying cheapened products for the same or more cost. Again, companies choice, but consumers have a choice too.
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#5676813 Posted on: 06/05/2019 12:41 AM
This is news?
This is news?
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#5676837 Posted on: 06/05/2019 02:57 AM
No, it's AMD personnel on twitter spitting memes and being edgy. Cause confidence.
This is news?
No, it's AMD personnel on twitter spitting memes and being edgy. Cause confidence.
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I kinda figured. They have been having such great results with it.