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Rumor: AMD Seeds Board partners Ryzen 3000 Samples - Runs 4.5 GHz and show 15% Extra IPC
Well, loads of AMD related news today. Earlier today in this news item we discussed the X570 chipset, well, that same source mentions some more spicy info on their website. Apparently, AMD Ryzen samples have been sent to motherboard manufacturers for product validation, these engineering samples already run 4.5 GHz.
Yes, the same source, a Bilibili user called Ito Technology claims that motherboard manufacturers have Ryzen 3000 engineering samples (ZEN2) in house based on 4 to 8 cores. Typically, and I do say this with a bit of hesitation and care, engineering samples run slower opposed to the final SKUs. Apparently, the manufacturers are also preparing for CPUs with 12 and 16 cores (well yeah .. doh!).
While these engineering samples reportedly are running 4.5 GHz, IPC improvements also are mentioned to be 15% clock for clock. With these variables, the power consumption would be totally under control. It is also suggested that the memory controller shows some improvements, albeit not huge. Then again memory bandwidth never was an issue, latency however was and that should have been addressed by the chiplet design.
Obvious disclaimer; we cannot vouch for this information whatsoever and have classified it as a rumor.
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#5664334 Posted on: 04/29/2019 05:27 PM
Diminishing returns!!!!
Diminishing returns!!!!
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#5664336 Posted on: 04/29/2019 05:36 PM
15% IPC boost is a lot. 4,5GHz * 1.15 = 5,175GHz performance equivalent of Zen+.
That would definitely match everything intel has. May be interesting.
15% IPC boost is a lot. 4,5GHz * 1.15 = 5,175GHz performance equivalent of Zen+.
That would definitely match everything intel has. May be interesting.
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#5664339 Posted on: 04/29/2019 06:03 PM
I can see 5.2 on 2 cores being a possibility for the new high end Zen2.
Zen2+ is looking very competitive. Low power usage, high clocks and plenty of cores for under £300. I want one already. 6-12 or 8-16 is the question. We'll see....
I can see 5.2 on 2 cores being a possibility for the new high end Zen2.
Zen2+ is looking very competitive. Low power usage, high clocks and plenty of cores for under £300. I want one already. 6-12 or 8-16 is the question. We'll see....
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#5664342 Posted on: 04/29/2019 06:06 PM
15% IPC increase means AMD has a real winner with ZEN2! It also means Intel is going to lose their performance crown after a very lengthy rein...
15% IPC increase means AMD has a real winner with ZEN2! It also means Intel is going to lose their performance crown after a very lengthy rein...
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#5664347 Posted on: 04/29/2019 06:35 PM
If this is correct I'm not sure Intel is feeling zen now o_O
If this is correct I'm not sure Intel is feeling zen now o_O
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#5664349 Posted on: 04/29/2019 06:38 PM
15% IPC is more than twice what intel has managed to produce in the last half decade, very skeptical
15% IPC is more than twice what intel has managed to produce in the last half decade, very skeptical
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#5664354 Posted on: 04/29/2019 07:11 PM
It's possible, Ryzen design is still maturing and going through some changes.
It's possible, Ryzen design is still maturing and going through some changes.
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#5664357 Posted on: 04/29/2019 07:22 PM
So it will still be slightly slower than 9900k. 9900k over 2700k has more than 15% of IPC. At the end if AMD has really aggressive pricing on these, it will be very competitive. 16 Core over DUAL Memory Channel will never happen, because it would choke. Knowing that Intel is going to release 10 core variant for their mainstream socket, Intel will still have an upper hand.
So it will still be slightly slower than 9900k. 9900k over 2700k has more than 15% of IPC. At the end if AMD has really aggressive pricing on these, it will be very competitive. 16 Core over DUAL Memory Channel will never happen, because it would choke. Knowing that Intel is going to release 10 core variant for their mainstream socket, Intel will still have an upper hand.
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#5664360 Posted on: 04/29/2019 07:34 PM
Intels IPC advantage is around 5%. Their main advantage is in outright clock speed and has been for some time.
Intels IPC advantage is around 5%. Their main advantage is in outright clock speed and has been for some time.
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#5664365 Posted on: 04/29/2019 07:45 PM
Key word " samples " = meaning they are lower clocked than Full retail chips. Samples clocking already at 4.5Ghz points to the right direction for AMD
add 15% ipc and we have a real winner right there 
, price accordingly around $329 US Dollars a 8 core 16 thread will be a real competitor to Intel 9900K $550 US dollars 8 cores 16 threads chip for or more less the same performance. Good for everybody , we all winners here as competition brings lower prices and innovation !
Key word " samples " = meaning they are lower clocked than Full retail chips. Samples clocking already at 4.5Ghz points to the right direction for AMD
add 15% ipc and we have a real winner right there , price accordingly around $329 US Dollars a 8 core 16 thread will be a real competitor to Intel 9900K $550 US dollars 8 cores 16 threads chip for or more less the same performance. Good for everybody , we all winners here as competition brings lower prices and innovation !
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#5664368 Posted on: 04/29/2019 07:53 PM
I find the 15% claim too good to be true. According to Guru3D's benchmarks, the 9900K is only about 3.4% better in IPC compared to the 2700X. A 15% boost would mean Zen 2 will have a 11.6% IPC advantage over the 9900K!
A 15% boost in single-threaded performance would be more realistic (that would make it nearly as fast as the 9900K), based on both IPC and clock speed improvements.
I find the 15% claim too good to be true. According to Guru3D's benchmarks, the 9900K is only about 3.4% better in IPC compared to the 2700X. A 15% boost would mean Zen 2 will have a 11.6% IPC advantage over the 9900K!
A 15% boost in single-threaded performance would be more realistic (that would make it nearly as fast as the 9900K), based on both IPC and clock speed improvements.
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#5664370 Posted on: 04/29/2019 07:58 PM
I believe it when I'm benchmarking it myself
Going to upgrade my TR 1950x anyway to TR gen 3 .
I believe it when I'm benchmarking it myself
Going to upgrade my TR 1950x anyway to TR gen 3 .
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#5664373 Posted on: 04/29/2019 08:03 PM
What we want right now, is performance of 2700x + 15% ipc with frequence of 5Ghz +, and support for 4400+ mhz memory
Intels IPC advantage is around 5%. Their main advantage is in outright clock speed and has been for some time.
What we want right now, is performance of 2700x + 15% ipc with frequence of 5Ghz +, and support for 4400+ mhz memory
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#5664374 Posted on: 04/29/2019 08:09 PM
9900k doesn't have an IPC advantage over 2700x. Sure, in some areas it does, and some areas it doesn't, and some areas they are equal. This is called, equal, as nothing is ever "exactly the same"
What the 9900k DOES have over the 2700x is clock
9900k = 3.5Ghz base, 5Ghz 2-core boost, 4.7Ghz 8-core boost and i believe a 4.4 All-Core Boost
2700x = 3.7Ghz base, 4.3ish 2-core boost, 4.2ish 8-core boost and 4.1ish all-core boost
If the 2700x could match the boost frequencies of the 9900k, they would be very similar in performance, as again, their IPC is very similar. Yes, there would be areas where one would win out over the other, again, this is normal, nothing can do everything exactly the same being different architectures. Yes, there are likely some scenarios where one wins out significantly. Remember, GPUs do this as well.
So lets say this rumor is true, 15% IPC with 4.5Ghz, like above stated, that'd be similar to 5.175Ghz Zen+, which would be similar to 5.175Ghz 9900k. We don't know if this is a base speed or not. Usually from what i have seen, rumors come out with base speeds, so that leads me to believe that, it's possible 4.5Ghz will be base.
But lets say its not, lets go with worse case scenario, if this rumor is true, and the all-core boost is 4.5Ghz, remember, the 9900k is 4.4Ghz all-core boost, and doesn't have the advantage of a 15% IPC improvement.
Obviously, all of this is rumor, and we need to wait till its release, but please, stop spreading misinformation around, as your statement that the 9900k has 15% more IPC then 2700x, is purely wrong. 9900k has a FREQUENCY advantage over the 2700x, and IF Zen 2 were to even MATCH that frequency advantage with the rumors 15% IPC increase, it will not be "slightly slower than a 9900k"
Even if you believe that the 9900k intel has a 5% IPC advantage over the 2700x, which i wouldn't say is untrue, in some circumstances, as again, it's IPC increase between architectures, especially competing companies architectures, is circumstantial, a 15% overall average IPC increase from Zen+ to Zen 2 with similar clock speeds to the 9900k would not be "slightly slower than a 9900k"
Get your facts straight.
So it will still be slightly slower than 9900k. 9900k over 2700k has more than 15% of IPC.
9900k doesn't have an IPC advantage over 2700x. Sure, in some areas it does, and some areas it doesn't, and some areas they are equal. This is called, equal, as nothing is ever "exactly the same"
What the 9900k DOES have over the 2700x is clock
9900k = 3.5Ghz base, 5Ghz 2-core boost, 4.7Ghz 8-core boost and i believe a 4.4 All-Core Boost
2700x = 3.7Ghz base, 4.3ish 2-core boost, 4.2ish 8-core boost and 4.1ish all-core boost
If the 2700x could match the boost frequencies of the 9900k, they would be very similar in performance, as again, their IPC is very similar. Yes, there would be areas where one would win out over the other, again, this is normal, nothing can do everything exactly the same being different architectures. Yes, there are likely some scenarios where one wins out significantly. Remember, GPUs do this as well.
So lets say this rumor is true, 15% IPC with 4.5Ghz, like above stated, that'd be similar to 5.175Ghz Zen+, which would be similar to 5.175Ghz 9900k. We don't know if this is a base speed or not. Usually from what i have seen, rumors come out with base speeds, so that leads me to believe that, it's possible 4.5Ghz will be base.
But lets say its not, lets go with worse case scenario, if this rumor is true, and the all-core boost is 4.5Ghz, remember, the 9900k is 4.4Ghz all-core boost, and doesn't have the advantage of a 15% IPC improvement.
Obviously, all of this is rumor, and we need to wait till its release, but please, stop spreading misinformation around, as your statement that the 9900k has 15% more IPC then 2700x, is purely wrong. 9900k has a FREQUENCY advantage over the 2700x, and IF Zen 2 were to even MATCH that frequency advantage with the rumors 15% IPC increase, it will not be "slightly slower than a 9900k"
Even if you believe that the 9900k intel has a 5% IPC advantage over the 2700x, which i wouldn't say is untrue, in some circumstances, as again, it's IPC increase between architectures, especially competing companies architectures, is circumstantial, a 15% overall average IPC increase from Zen+ to Zen 2 with similar clock speeds to the 9900k would not be "slightly slower than a 9900k"
Get your facts straight.
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So just as i predicted 4 months ago then by taking the 9900K core from benches with the average clock speed which matched the Intel show cased from power consumption and the clock speed it would be running in all core turbo then comparing to the 2700X adding average 13% IPC well i said 4.4GHz so i am 100MHz off. However what i am interested in in the 2 core max frequency.