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#5693735 Posted on: 07/23/2019 09:34 PM
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
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#5693738 Posted on: 07/23/2019 09:59 PM
Any GTX card released recently? Last I recall were the 1650 and 1660 cards, and not only were the ref cards reviewed, but several AIB cards as well. AMD? Only their ref cards released, nothing else. RTX? several Super cards have been released lately, so do you not expect reviews on these in the same way as the GTX cards with their AIB equivalents? This is actually one of the few sites that does multiple card reviews (ref & AIB). Most stop at the ref card and you have to go to other sites for AIB card reviews (like here, lol).
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
Any GTX card released recently? Last I recall were the 1650 and 1660 cards, and not only were the ref cards reviewed, but several AIB cards as well. AMD? Only their ref cards released, nothing else. RTX? several Super cards have been released lately, so do you not expect reviews on these in the same way as the GTX cards with their AIB equivalents? This is actually one of the few sites that does multiple card reviews (ref & AIB). Most stop at the ref card and you have to go to other sites for AIB card reviews (like here, lol).
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#5693743 Posted on: 07/23/2019 10:14 PM
I will never buy Nvidia card again, I bought MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X TRIO not even a year ago and they lunch a better version of this card with $100 cheaper price... I feel that I was fooled by this company
I will never buy Nvidia card again, I bought MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X TRIO not even a year ago and they lunch a better version of this card with $100 cheaper price... I feel that I was fooled by this company
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#5693747 Posted on: 07/23/2019 10:28 PM
cheer up man it happens been there myself it makes you wiser
no regrets
I will never buy Nvidia card again, I bought MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X TRIO not even a year ago and they lunch a better version of this card with $100 cheaper price... I feel that I was fooled by this company
cheer up man it happens been there myself it makes you wiser
no regrets
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#5693758 Posted on: 07/23/2019 11:12 PM
You better throw your whole computer in the trash and lock yourself in the closet then. This is the way the computer industry has worked for decades. If you want to be an early adopter you pay more, you should know something is always going to show up quickly that is better.
Even if you aren't an early adopter. You should always know something better is around the corner.
I will never buy Nvidia card again, I bought MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X TRIO not even a year ago and they lunch a better version of this card with $100 cheaper price... I feel that I was fooled by this company
You better throw your whole computer in the trash and lock yourself in the closet then. This is the way the computer industry has worked for decades. If you want to be an early adopter you pay more, you should know something is always going to show up quickly that is better.
Even if you aren't an early adopter. You should always know something better is around the corner.
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#5693763 Posted on: 07/23/2019 11:33 PM
You better throw your whole computer in the trash and lock yourself in the closet then. This is the way the computer industry has worked for decades. If you want to be an early adopter you pay more, you should know something is always going to show up quickly that is better.
Even if you aren't an early adopter. You should always know something better is around the corner.
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
You better throw your whole computer in the trash and lock yourself in the closet then. This is the way the computer industry has worked for decades. If you want to be an early adopter you pay more, you should know something is always going to show up quickly that is better.
Even if you aren't an early adopter. You should always know something better is around the corner.
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
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#5693766 Posted on: 07/24/2019 12:23 AM
Nvidia, and various reviewers stating that this card costs 100 less just proves now that Nvidia was lying about the price of the original RTX 2080 launch all along. "Starting price" of the RTX 2080 was supposedly 700, even though that price did not exist anywhere. Now everyone openly saying the RTX 2080 was 800, and this Super card is 100 less just proves it. Caught in your lies once again, Nvidia.
Nvidia, and various reviewers stating that this card costs 100 less just proves now that Nvidia was lying about the price of the original RTX 2080 launch all along. "Starting price" of the RTX 2080 was supposedly 700, even though that price did not exist anywhere. Now everyone openly saying the RTX 2080 was 800, and this Super card is 100 less just proves it. Caught in your lies once again, Nvidia.
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#5693819 Posted on: 07/24/2019 07:08 AM
I am very sorry to have spent so much time in my vacation for you to read our free content. BTW one more remark on making accusations on us being bribed and I will hit the ban button, shame on you.
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
I am very sorry to have spent so much time in my vacation for you to read our free content. BTW one more remark on making accusations on us being bribed and I will hit the ban button, shame on you.
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#5693870 Posted on: 07/24/2019 10:27 AM
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
Why so many rtx reviews? new or rather replacement cards just came out this month..
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
It's been 10 months, things like these happen all the time.
Back in the day with Titan coming out at $999 literally 9 months later the 780Ti comes out at $699 with more CUDA (2688 CUDA to 2880) then 3 months after that Titan Black comes out to replace the Titan thats 2880. So Titan (February) -> 780Ti (November) -> Titan Black (February).
This can be a response to AMD like the GTX 1070Ti or the GTX 1060 GDDR5X (came out with GDDR5 originally) after AMD cards came out.
We can say that Nvidia said better yields because if you look at it we had:
(last year)
2080Ti - TU102-300-K1-A1
2080 - TU104-400-A1 (non-factory oc)
2080 - TU104-400A-A1 (factory oc)
2070 - TU106-400-A1(non-factory oc)
2070 - TU104-400A-A1 (factory oc)
2060 - TU106-200-KA-A1
Now the SKU has been replaced:
2080Ti - TU102-300-K1-A1 (Same)
2080S - TU104-450-A1 (New)
2070S - TU104-410-A1 (New)
2060S - TU106-410-A1 (New)
2060 - TU106-200-KA-A1 (Same)
To get that "Super" performance they upped:
2060S = +256 CUDA + TU106 "410" (vs. 200) + 2GB RAM
2070S = +256 CUDA + TU104 die/pcb + better ram.
2080S = +128 CUDA, still TU104 + even better ram.
This doesnt include the RT stuff...
2060 MSRP $349 (AIB retailing $439~$499) -> 2060 Super $399 (AIB retailing $399+)
2070 MSRP $599 (AIB retailing $649~$699) -> 2070 Super $499 (AIB retailing $549+)
2080 MSRP $699 (AIB retailing $770~$790) -> 2080 Super $699 (AIB retailing $699+)
Technically everyone hated the 20 series prices when it first came out.. but on top of that retailer/manufacturers had fun with it as well having $50-100+ price difference between an A and non-A card, I remember having to choose for a 2070 card $649 or $699 last October (non-OC or OC). So IMO for those buying new cards, you're lucky these came out, you're getting more for less. These are the prices it "should" have been from the start but again they didn't really need to do a refresh to stay in the game with AMD they could've easily brought prices down but these Super cards make it more inciting to make the purchase. Those that had the 1080Ti were more disappointed as it took them this long to have the same priced card "beat" it or rather advertised as such or having to pay $1,200 for a "real" upgrade. But in the future we'll see this again with the 2080Ti and gonna be a while till a non-Ti card will be able to beat it.
But lets face it.. Nvidia will put more of their driver support for newer cards so gotta deal with it
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
Why so many rtx reviews? new or rather replacement cards just came out this month..
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
It's been 10 months, things like these happen all the time.
Back in the day with Titan coming out at $999 literally 9 months later the 780Ti comes out at $699 with more CUDA (2688 CUDA to 2880) then 3 months after that Titan Black comes out to replace the Titan thats 2880. So Titan (February) -> 780Ti (November) -> Titan Black (February).
This can be a response to AMD like the GTX 1070Ti or the GTX 1060 GDDR5X (came out with GDDR5 originally) after AMD cards came out.
We can say that Nvidia said better yields because if you look at it we had:
(last year)
2080Ti - TU102-300-K1-A1
2080 - TU104-400-A1 (non-factory oc)
2080 - TU104-400A-A1 (factory oc)
2070 - TU106-400-A1(non-factory oc)
2070 - TU104-400A-A1 (factory oc)
2060 - TU106-200-KA-A1
Now the SKU has been replaced:
2080Ti - TU102-300-K1-A1 (Same)
2080S - TU104-450-A1 (New)
2070S - TU104-410-A1 (New)
2060S - TU106-410-A1 (New)
2060 - TU106-200-KA-A1 (Same)
To get that "Super" performance they upped:
2060S = +256 CUDA + TU106 "410" (vs. 200) + 2GB RAM
2070S = +256 CUDA + TU104 die/pcb + better ram.
2080S = +128 CUDA, still TU104 + even better ram.
This doesnt include the RT stuff...
2060 MSRP $349 (AIB retailing $439~$499) -> 2060 Super $399 (AIB retailing $399+)
2070 MSRP $599 (AIB retailing $649~$699) -> 2070 Super $499 (AIB retailing $549+)
2080 MSRP $699 (AIB retailing $770~$790) -> 2080 Super $699 (AIB retailing $699+)
Technically everyone hated the 20 series prices when it first came out.. but on top of that retailer/manufacturers had fun with it as well having $50-100+ price difference between an A and non-A card, I remember having to choose for a 2070 card $649 or $699 last October (non-OC or OC). So IMO for those buying new cards, you're lucky these came out, you're getting more for less. These are the prices it "should" have been from the start but again they didn't really need to do a refresh to stay in the game with AMD they could've easily brought prices down but these Super cards make it more inciting to make the purchase. Those that had the 1080Ti were more disappointed as it took them this long to have the same priced card "beat" it or rather advertised as such or having to pay $1,200 for a "real" upgrade. But in the future we'll see this again with the 2080Ti and gonna be a while till a non-Ti card will be able to beat it.
But lets face it.. Nvidia will put more of their driver support for newer cards so gotta deal with it
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#5693877 Posted on: 07/24/2019 11:15 AM
nVidia, nor any other company has much control over what retailers charge for their products. Or did you forget the mining craze the past two years and how much both nVidia AND AMD cards skyrocketed in price? It's called supply and demand. Seems they don't teach this in schools these days.
Nvidia, and various reviewers stating that this card costs 100 less just proves now that Nvidia was lying about the price of the original RTX 2080 launch all along. "Starting price" of the RTX 2080 was supposedly 700, even though that price did not exist anywhere. Now everyone openly saying the RTX 2080 was 800, and this Super card is 100 less just proves it. Caught in your lies once again, Nvidia.
nVidia, nor any other company has much control over what retailers charge for their products. Or did you forget the mining craze the past two years and how much both nVidia AND AMD cards skyrocketed in price? It's called supply and demand. Seems they don't teach this in schools these days.
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#5693955 Posted on: 07/24/2019 04:37 PM
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
Why RX5700/XT reviews when most people keep buying Polaris cards?
Crazy, right?
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
You are not paying much of attention.
The 980Ti was overtaken by 1070 11 months later for $379, the 780Ti was overtaken 9 months later by 970 for $330, etc ...
Do you think AMD is better? Look at the Radeon VII, a $700 GPU that in 5 months went EOL due to a $400 card ...
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
Why RX5700/XT reviews when most people keep buying Polaris cards?
Crazy, right?
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
You are not paying much of attention.
The 980Ti was overtaken by 1070 11 months later for $379, the 780Ti was overtaken 9 months later by 970 for $330, etc ...
Do you think AMD is better? Look at the Radeon VII, a $700 GPU that in 5 months went EOL due to a $400 card ...
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#5693998 Posted on: 07/24/2019 05:56 PM
Why RX5700/XT reviews when most people keep buying Polaris cards?
Crazy, right?
You are not paying much of attention.
The 980Ti was overtaken by 1070 11 months later for $379, the 780Ti was overtaken 9 months later by 970 for $330, etc ...
Do you think AMD is better? Look at the Radeon VII, a $700 GPU that in 5 months went EOL due to a $400 card ...
nVidia, nor any other company has much control over what retailers charge for their products. Or did you forget the mining craze the past two years and how much both nVidia AND AMD cards skyrocketed in price? It's called supply and demand. Seems they don't teach this in schools these days.
I think you are the one that not paying much of attention, those previous series are all different manufacturing process and also different tech implemented in them so it make sense with the price difference and performance difference. This super series are not... it is still same manufacturing process same implemented tech with the original RTX 2080 yet the price are cheaper. It means original RTX 2080 has a very huge margin profit in the price because there are no competition from AMD at that time. Looks what happen when RX 5700 XT came out and that GPU has a very competitive price, Nvidia are forced lower their GPU price and sold this Super series crap.
Why RX5700/XT reviews when most people keep buying Polaris cards?
Crazy, right?
You are not paying much of attention.
The 980Ti was overtaken by 1070 11 months later for $379, the 780Ti was overtaken 9 months later by 970 for $330, etc ...
Do you think AMD is better? Look at the Radeon VII, a $700 GPU that in 5 months went EOL due to a $400 card ...
nVidia, nor any other company has much control over what retailers charge for their products. Or did you forget the mining craze the past two years and how much both nVidia AND AMD cards skyrocketed in price? It's called supply and demand. Seems they don't teach this in schools these days.
I think you are the one that not paying much of attention, those previous series are all different manufacturing process and also different tech implemented in them so it make sense with the price difference and performance difference. This super series are not... it is still same manufacturing process same implemented tech with the original RTX 2080 yet the price are cheaper. It means original RTX 2080 has a very huge margin profit in the price because there are no competition from AMD at that time. Looks what happen when RX 5700 XT came out and that GPU has a very competitive price, Nvidia are forced lower their GPU price and sold this Super series crap.
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#5694032 Posted on: 07/24/2019 07:45 PM
Nvidia brought more performance at same or less price, perfectly normal in a resfresh. It feels that nothing Nvidia does is okay, because if the cards are expensive, we complain because they´re expensive, if it's cheaper we complain because they´re cheaper ...
Regarding price adjustments, it is normal to have them, in all generations there are price adjustments throughout the product life cycle, it´s nothing new. AMD has already started this by dropping $50 on the RX5700/XT after seeing the performance and price of the RTX Super!
If you criticize Nvidia, you should also criticize AMD, because they were also preparing to charge $50 more if the RTX Super didn't come!
Nvidia brought more performance at same or less price, perfectly normal in a resfresh. It feels that nothing Nvidia does is okay, because if the cards are expensive, we complain because they´re expensive, if it's cheaper we complain because they´re cheaper ...
Regarding price adjustments, it is normal to have them, in all generations there are price adjustments throughout the product life cycle, it´s nothing new. AMD has already started this by dropping $50 on the RX5700/XT after seeing the performance and price of the RTX Super!
If you criticize Nvidia, you should also criticize AMD, because they were also preparing to charge $50 more if the RTX Super didn't come!
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#5694072 Posted on: 07/24/2019 11:13 PM
Competition brings wonders, it has always been that way. You can't blame nvidia for doing what any corporation will do when competing with themselves...
Technology always advances, there will always be something new around the corner. What nvidia did with the super series is no different than amd with rx series. (480 to 580 to 590)
I think you are the one that not paying much of attention, those previous series are all different manufacturing process and also different tech implemented in them so it make sense with the price difference and performance difference. This super series are not... it is still same manufacturing process same implemented tech with the original RTX 2080 yet the price are cheaper. It means original RTX 2080 has a very huge margin profit in the price because there are no competition from AMD at that time. Looks what happen when RX 5700 XT came out and that GPU has a very competitive price, Nvidia are forced lower their GPU price and sold this Super series crap.
Competition brings wonders, it has always been that way. You can't blame nvidia for doing what any corporation will do when competing with themselves...
Technology always advances, there will always be something new around the corner. What nvidia did with the super series is no different than amd with rx series. (480 to 580 to 590)
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Great article !!! I was tired of the same old immature response to Nvidia (today after watching a slew of reviews if that is what you want to call them) that it was refreshing to see Guru3D do a good review highlighting the lows and highs and add overclocking !!! THANKS !!! Personally I am not that concerned about the price because AMD has nothing in this tier so the argument is moot if you want a high end card. A 10% boost is pretty darn good though. I was wondering if you saw a great difference in the 1% lows with the faster DDR6 memory? Were they better, same or worse?
I am going to watch your Founder's Super review to see if you got some OC out of that. For no real explanable reason I never buy the founder's edition cards. They look nice but I like the 3rd party models.