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#5528401 Posted on: 03/15/2018 11:23 AM
Overclocking the iGPU seems to give quite a big performance boost (~10-15%). Also, it's going to be interesting to see what 4/8GB of memory can do for the performance.
Has anyone tried running it in tandem with a big Vega? Would be interesting to see if they can work together.
I don't think we can expect more then 2GB allocated for VRAM, tha'ts max in all bioses from what i know.
If you want to run this with Vega, you can't use Adrenalin driver, it needs to be driver for RX Vega 8/11.
Already waiting for over one month for Adrenalin driver.
Overclocking the iGPU seems to give quite a big performance boost (~10-15%). Also, it's going to be interesting to see what 4/8GB of memory can do for the performance.
Has anyone tried running it in tandem with a big Vega? Would be interesting to see if they can work together.
I don't think we can expect more then 2GB allocated for VRAM, tha'ts max in all bioses from what i know.
If you want to run this with Vega, you can't use Adrenalin driver, it needs to be driver for RX Vega 8/11.
Already waiting for over one month for Adrenalin driver.
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#5528439 Posted on: 03/15/2018 02:11 PM
I don't think we can expect more then 2GB allocated for VRAM, tha'ts max in all bioses from what i know.
If you want to run this with Vega, you can't use Adrenalin driver, it needs to be driver for RX Vega 8/11.
Already waiting for over one month for Adrenalin driver.
I was referring to this remark in the conclusion - "Upcoming BIOS versions will support even larger options such as 4GB and 8GB."
Hilbert wouldn't lie to us right?
Bummer about the drivers though.
I don't think we can expect more then 2GB allocated for VRAM, tha'ts max in all bioses from what i know.
If you want to run this with Vega, you can't use Adrenalin driver, it needs to be driver for RX Vega 8/11.
Already waiting for over one month for Adrenalin driver.
I was referring to this remark in the conclusion - "Upcoming BIOS versions will support even larger options such as 4GB and 8GB."
Hilbert wouldn't lie to us right?
Bummer about the drivers though.
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#5528440 Posted on: 03/15/2018 02:28 PM
I was referring to this remark in the conclusion - "Upcoming BIOS versions will support even larger options such as 4GB and 8GB."
Hilbert wouldn't lie to us right?
Bummer about the drivers though.
At the time of the 2000G reviews this was communicated by AMD:
UMA Size, the BIOS will default to 1GB Frame buffer / UMA Size.
i. MSI BIOS: go to Settings / Advanced / Integrated Graphics Config and set “Integrated Graphics” to “Force” and “UMA Frame Buffer Size” to 2GB
ii. Gigabyte BIOS: Go to Chipset and set “Integrated Graphics” to “Forces”, UMA Mode to UMA Specified and UMA Frame buffer size to 2GB
iii. upcoming BIOS versions will support even larger options such as 4GB and 8GB
I was referring to this remark in the conclusion - "Upcoming BIOS versions will support even larger options such as 4GB and 8GB."
Hilbert wouldn't lie to us right?
Bummer about the drivers though.
At the time of the 2000G reviews this was communicated by AMD:
UMA Size, the BIOS will default to 1GB Frame buffer / UMA Size.
i. MSI BIOS: go to Settings / Advanced / Integrated Graphics Config and set “Integrated Graphics” to “Force” and “UMA Frame Buffer Size” to 2GB
ii. Gigabyte BIOS: Go to Chipset and set “Integrated Graphics” to “Forces”, UMA Mode to UMA Specified and UMA Frame buffer size to 2GB
iii. upcoming BIOS versions will support even larger options such as 4GB and 8GB
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#5528466 Posted on: 03/15/2018 04:10 PM
The iGPU performance is really impressive, good job AMD!
The iGPU performance is really impressive, good job AMD!
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#5528475 Posted on: 03/15/2018 04:30 PM
Thanks boss, good to know it's official.
Thanks boss, good to know it's official.
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#5528478 Posted on: 03/15/2018 04:41 PM
At the time of the 2000G reviews this was communicated by AMD:
UMA Size, the BIOS will default to 1GB Frame buffer / UMA Size.
i. MSI BIOS: go to Settings / Advanced / Integrated Graphics Config and set “Integrated Graphics” to “Force” and “UMA Frame Buffer Size” to 2GB
ii. Gigabyte BIOS: Go to Chipset and set “Integrated Graphics” to “Forces”, UMA Mode to UMA Specified and UMA Frame buffer size to 2GB
iii. upcoming BIOS versions will support even larger options such as 4GB and 8GB
That's good news, thanks Hilbert.
At the time of the 2000G reviews this was communicated by AMD:
UMA Size, the BIOS will default to 1GB Frame buffer / UMA Size.
i. MSI BIOS: go to Settings / Advanced / Integrated Graphics Config and set “Integrated Graphics” to “Force” and “UMA Frame Buffer Size” to 2GB
ii. Gigabyte BIOS: Go to Chipset and set “Integrated Graphics” to “Forces”, UMA Mode to UMA Specified and UMA Frame buffer size to 2GB
iii. upcoming BIOS versions will support even larger options such as 4GB and 8GB
That's good news, thanks Hilbert.
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#5528494 Posted on: 03/15/2018 05:06 PM
Nice to see a review on this motherboard. I've had one for about 10 months now, BIOS needed work but after updating it stabilized and has got a bit better with each update since. Fingers crossed it continues that way
Nice to see a review on this motherboard. I've had one for about 10 months now, BIOS needed work but after updating it stabilized and has got a bit better with each update since. Fingers crossed it continues that way
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#5528617 Posted on: 03/15/2018 09:56 PM
I said 2018 would be the year APU's could potentially run games @1080p 60 fps. Not quite there yet but we still have 9months of 2018 left. I'm guessing the next iGPU version will handle it just fine.
I said 2018 would be the year APU's could potentially run games @1080p 60 fps. Not quite there yet but we still have 9months of 2018 left. I'm guessing the next iGPU version will handle it just fine.
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#5528637 Posted on: 03/15/2018 11:26 PM
The way the market is going I may just stop buying video cards and pop in a APU every few years and game at Medium/High settings.
The way the market is going I may just stop buying video cards and pop in a APU every few years and game at Medium/High settings.
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#5528663 Posted on: 03/16/2018 02:09 AM
I turn all my game settings to low usually anyway for online games. I see a lot of pros doing it even though they have 10,000 $ machines.
Once APU's have doubled up on GPU performance and they allow more ram/faster ram then i see no reason for a dedicated GPU. You'd probably cut energy bills in half as well for a bonus. I can imagine a sweet 8 core APU with twice the GPU power of the 2400G and 8gb of DDR4/5 3200+ for a buffer.
I turn all my game settings to low usually anyway for online games. I see a lot of pros doing it even though they have 10,000 $ machines.
Once APU's have doubled up on GPU performance and they allow more ram/faster ram then i see no reason for a dedicated GPU. You'd probably cut energy bills in half as well for a bonus. I can imagine a sweet 8 core APU with twice the GPU power of the 2400G and 8gb of DDR4/5 3200+ for a buffer.
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#5528681 Posted on: 03/16/2018 04:13 AM
The memory allocation part does NOT improve performance at all... Allocating 2GB, or 256KB makes no performance difference of the graphics APU. What it does do is set a limit on memory available to the rest of the system.
TLDR: There is no performance benefit achieved by giving 2GB to the APU in the BIOS. Doing this actually restricts memory to the rest of the PC, and is bad.
The memory allocation part does NOT improve performance at all... Allocating 2GB, or 256KB makes no performance difference of the graphics APU. What it does do is set a limit on memory available to the rest of the system.
TLDR: There is no performance benefit achieved by giving 2GB to the APU in the BIOS. Doing this actually restricts memory to the rest of the PC, and is bad.
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#5528736 Posted on: 03/16/2018 11:49 AM
looking at the performance put out by the current set of APU's, i think i will start saving up for the next gen.
i have mostly stopped buying AAA titles anyway, and have gone the route of casual indy and emulation - and i suspect that with the next gen, the gpu part will be more than capable for my needs...
ITX box, here i come!
looking at the performance put out by the current set of APU's, i think i will start saving up for the next gen.
i have mostly stopped buying AAA titles anyway, and have gone the route of casual indy and emulation - and i suspect that with the next gen, the gpu part will be more than capable for my needs...
ITX box, here i come!
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#5528743 Posted on: 03/16/2018 01:13 PM
The memory allocation part does NOT improve performance at all... Allocating 2GB, or 256KB makes no performance difference of the graphics APU. What it does do is set a limit on memory available to the rest of the system.
TLDR: There is no performance benefit achieved by giving 2GB to the APU in the BIOS. Doing this actually restricts memory to the rest of the PC, and is bad.
This is false. If you check for example JayzTwoCents review, it is clear that changing the memory allocated to the iGPU has a huge performance impact - performance almost doubles after changing the default 512MB to 2GB.
Also, I don't think it is bad for the system given that the most common memory size is currently 8GB. Dedicating 2 or 4GB out of 8GB to iGPU won't have any performance impact on your system (unless you're doing something memory intensive, in which case - why did you get an APU?). This may have been a problem back in the day, where 128-256MB RAM was the norm, but not today.
The memory allocation part does NOT improve performance at all... Allocating 2GB, or 256KB makes no performance difference of the graphics APU. What it does do is set a limit on memory available to the rest of the system.
TLDR: There is no performance benefit achieved by giving 2GB to the APU in the BIOS. Doing this actually restricts memory to the rest of the PC, and is bad.
This is false. If you check for example JayzTwoCents review, it is clear that changing the memory allocated to the iGPU has a huge performance impact - performance almost doubles after changing the default 512MB to 2GB.
Also, I don't think it is bad for the system given that the most common memory size is currently 8GB. Dedicating 2 or 4GB out of 8GB to iGPU won't have any performance impact on your system (unless you're doing something memory intensive, in which case - why did you get an APU?). This may have been a problem back in the day, where 128-256MB RAM was the norm, but not today.
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#5528749 Posted on: 03/16/2018 01:47 PM
This is false. If you check for example JayzTwoCents review, it is clear that changing the memory allocated to the iGPU has a huge performance impact - performance almost doubles after changing the default 512MB to 2GB.
Also, I don't think it is bad for the system given that the most common memory size is currently 8GB. Dedicating 2 or 4GB out of 8GB to iGPU won't have any performance impact on your system (unless you're doing something memory intensive, in which case - why did you get an APU?). This may have been a problem back in the day, where 128-256MB RAM was the norm, but not today.
A few games read the ammount of VRAM avaiable, but dedicating 512MB or 2GB in bios is the same as igpu can acess all the memory. Also that test by Jay was a mess, and there are some tests that show you shoudn't allocate 2GB if you only have 8GB total ram.
This is false. If you check for example JayzTwoCents review, it is clear that changing the memory allocated to the iGPU has a huge performance impact - performance almost doubles after changing the default 512MB to 2GB.
Also, I don't think it is bad for the system given that the most common memory size is currently 8GB. Dedicating 2 or 4GB out of 8GB to iGPU won't have any performance impact on your system (unless you're doing something memory intensive, in which case - why did you get an APU?). This may have been a problem back in the day, where 128-256MB RAM was the norm, but not today.
A few games read the ammount of VRAM avaiable, but dedicating 512MB or 2GB in bios is the same as igpu can acess all the memory. Also that test by Jay was a mess, and there are some tests that show you shoudn't allocate 2GB if you only have 8GB total ram.
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Overclocking the iGPU seems to give quite a big performance boost (~10-15%). Also, it's going to be interesting to see what 4/8GB of memory can do for the performance.
Has anyone tried running it in tandem with a big Vega? Would be interesting to see if they can work together.