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Review: ASUS ROG Crosshair VII HERO (Wifi) - A Proper Mobo For 2nd Gen Ryzen
ASUS is ready for Ryzen 2000 / Zen+, this round they've released their ROG Crosshair VII HERO (Wifi), which we just have to review. Alongside the release of Ryzen 5 2600X and Ryzen 7 2700X processors, AMD prepped the X470 chipset, that offers a more fine-tuned experience for your Ryzen processor. The new Hero, however, is taking things to an entirely new level.
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#5539269 Posted on: 04/20/2018 09:23 AM
Very true, realistically though, how many users out there still use SLI/CFX?
And then add to that, how many users will actually install two NVME M2 storage units? For 99.9% this simply is not an issue.
M.2_2 on PCIe 3.0 x4 at cost of 2nd PCIe GPU. For many, good idea. For CF/SLI users, not so much.
Very true, realistically though, how many users out there still use SLI/CFX?
And then add to that, how many users will actually install two NVME M2 storage units? For 99.9% this simply is not an issue.
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#5539272 Posted on: 04/20/2018 09:34 AM
Very true, realistically though, how many users out there still use SLI/CFX?
And then add to that, how many users will actually install two NVME M2 storage units? For 99.9% this simply is not an issue.
I meant it more as a choice. Someone who can afford 2x GPU is quite likely to be able to afford 2x M2 drive.
If I did not dislike ASUS's BIOSes, and it was cheaper (and without that horrid bundled CM AIO LC), I would take that board.
Intel has that Optane thingy, AMD brought to table custom alternative. We can just pick any SSD any HDD and combine it. IIRC size limit for SSD is ~500GB. That makes that 2nd slot attractive for virtual hybrid drive. (Not sure if it works in case 2nd M.2 is not on X470 chipset.)
So, for me (as single GPU user) and most of other users, this is likely good trade-off. Yet still remains to be investigated feature wise.
I do wonder if other MBs have similar setup. Getting connection schematics is not as common as I would like it to be.
Edit: To explain it more clearly:
- use of M2_2 on main PCIe 3.0 x4 connection eats up bandwidth from single GPU user to point where GPU has 3.0 x8 connection available. (no big deal)
- in case M2_2 is used with 2 GPUs, 1st has PCIe 3.0 x8, 2nd has PCIe 3.0 x4
Very true, realistically though, how many users out there still use SLI/CFX?
And then add to that, how many users will actually install two NVME M2 storage units? For 99.9% this simply is not an issue.
I meant it more as a choice. Someone who can afford 2x GPU is quite likely to be able to afford 2x M2 drive.
If I did not dislike ASUS's BIOSes, and it was cheaper (and without that horrid bundled CM AIO LC), I would take that board.
Intel has that Optane thingy, AMD brought to table custom alternative. We can just pick any SSD any HDD and combine it. IIRC size limit for SSD is ~500GB. That makes that 2nd slot attractive for virtual hybrid drive. (Not sure if it works in case 2nd M.2 is not on X470 chipset.)
So, for me (as single GPU user) and most of other users, this is likely good trade-off. Yet still remains to be investigated feature wise.
I do wonder if other MBs have similar setup. Getting connection schematics is not as common as I would like it to be.
Edit: To explain it more clearly:
- use of M2_2 on main PCIe 3.0 x4 connection eats up bandwidth from single GPU user to point where GPU has 3.0 x8 connection available. (no big deal)
- in case M2_2 is used with 2 GPUs, 1st has PCIe 3.0 x8, 2nd has PCIe 3.0 x4
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#5539273 Posted on: 04/20/2018 09:43 AM
Which is why I request them these days, and ASUS delivered.
In short, there is no other viable solution at hand, other than to link a second M2 SSD through the chipset, here it would get limited towards PCIe Gen 2.0 lanes where you get half gen3 performance, ergo this is why the motherboard manufacturers all prefer an x4 Gen 3 path directly to the processor.
But again this only applies to people using SLI in combo with a second M2 NVME SSD.
I have not noticed a forced bundle with LCS though, where is that?
Getting connection schematics is not as common as I would like it to be.
Which is why I request them these days, and ASUS delivered.
In short, there is no other viable solution at hand, other than to link a second M2 SSD through the chipset, here it would get limited towards PCIe Gen 2.0 lanes where you get half gen3 performance, ergo this is why the motherboard manufacturers all prefer an x4 Gen 3 path directly to the processor.
But again this only applies to people using SLI in combo with a second M2 NVME SSD.
I have not noticed a forced bundle with LCS though, where is that?
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#5539274 Posted on: 04/20/2018 09:49 AM
Which is why I request them these days, and ASUS delivered.
In short, there is no other viable solution at hand, other than to link a second M2 SSD through the chipset, here it would get limited towards PCIe Gen 2.0 lanes where you get half gen3 performance, ergo this is why the motherboard manufacturers all prefer an x4 Gen 3 path directly to the processor.
But again this only applies to people using SLI in combo with a second M2 NVME SSD.
I have not noticed a forced bundle with LCS though, where is that?
All x470 MBs from ASUS comes like this on all Czech shops:
https://www.czc.cz/asus-rog-crosshair-vii-hero-amd-x470/234272/produkt
Bundled with: Coolermaster MasterLiquid ML240L RGB
That's very good for lower end and cheaper boards, but pairing it with high end is such a waste.
Which is why I request them these days, and ASUS delivered.
In short, there is no other viable solution at hand, other than to link a second M2 SSD through the chipset, here it would get limited towards PCIe Gen 2.0 lanes where you get half gen3 performance, ergo this is why the motherboard manufacturers all prefer an x4 Gen 3 path directly to the processor.
But again this only applies to people using SLI in combo with a second M2 NVME SSD.
I have not noticed a forced bundle with LCS though, where is that?
All x470 MBs from ASUS comes like this on all Czech shops:
https://www.czc.cz/asus-rog-crosshair-vii-hero-amd-x470/234272/produkt
Bundled with: Coolermaster MasterLiquid ML240L RGB
That's very good for lower end and cheaper boards, but pairing it with high end is such a waste.
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#5539276 Posted on: 04/20/2018 09:53 AM
There really should be a law against that, crazy.
All x470 MBs from ASUS comes like this on all Czech shops
There really should be a law against that, crazy.
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#5539305 Posted on: 04/20/2018 01:07 PM
Poor Overclocking options Review... You ahve not used Asus exclusive performance enhancer that boosts 1 core to over 4.4 ghz !!!
Poor Overclocking options Review... You ahve not used Asus exclusive performance enhancer that boosts 1 core to over 4.4 ghz !!!
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#5539308 Posted on: 04/20/2018 01:17 PM
There is no such option in the BIOS neither can Ryzen be configured with per core tweaks in the BIOS, but considering the 2700X will reach 4.35 on a single thread all by itself with XFR2, I fail to see the benefit of the extra one core 50 MHz as well.
Poor Overclocking options Review... You ahve not used Asus exclusive performance enhancer that boosts 1 core to over 4.4 ghz !!!
There is no such option in the BIOS neither can Ryzen be configured with per core tweaks in the BIOS, but considering the 2700X will reach 4.35 on a single thread all by itself with XFR2, I fail to see the benefit of the extra one core 50 MHz as well.
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#5539314 Posted on: 04/20/2018 01:49 PM
Looks like a decent mobo, but I'll still wait to see what else we will have.
Looks like a decent mobo, but I'll still wait to see what else we will have.
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#5539319 Posted on: 04/20/2018 02:08 PM
Any news on when the B450 will come out?
Any news on when the B450 will come out?
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#5539340 Posted on: 04/20/2018 03:18 PM
2700x same clocks as 8600k yet again for gamers 8600k delivers about 10FPS more. At the same price.
2700x same clocks as 8600k yet again for gamers 8600k delivers about 10FPS more. At the same price.
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#5539351 Posted on: 04/20/2018 03:45 PM
Can't say where you got that number from, but in games on 1080p and higher those mentioned CPUs deliver almost same frame rate. (mostly within 2%)
What you stated could have been somewhat be said about 4C/4T CPUs too. Till that statement became "WTF". Now you can only guess if next one to kick bucket for high fps gaming is 4C/8T or 6C/6T.
Anyway, 8600(k) total performance is around 40% lower than that of 2700X. Or if you want 2700X is around 66,7% stronger than 8600(k).
So, you can guess where value and longevity is.
2700x same clocks as 8600k yet again for gamers 8600k delivers about 10FPS more. At the same price.
Can't say where you got that number from, but in games on 1080p and higher those mentioned CPUs deliver almost same frame rate. (mostly within 2%)
What you stated could have been somewhat be said about 4C/4T CPUs too. Till that statement became "WTF". Now you can only guess if next one to kick bucket for high fps gaming is 4C/8T or 6C/6T.
Anyway, 8600(k) total performance is around 40% lower than that of 2700X. Or if you want 2700X is around 66,7% stronger than 8600(k).
So, you can guess where value and longevity is.
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#5539360 Posted on: 04/20/2018 04:08 PM
Exactly. In fact I wonder why people would even overclock Ryzen if (as with the first gen) it means turning off the sophisticated XFR / boost functions. AMD put a lot of work into those features, which give you CPU horsepower when you need it and nice cool operation otherwise. Having all cores at top speed all the time is so 2008. If you aren't running benchmarks or some other completely demanding task where watts don't matter, worrying about OC on Ryzen seems wrongheaded.
I'd encourage Hilbert to discuss or at least mention the negatives.
... considering the 2700X will reach 4.35 on a single thread all by itself with XFR2, I fail to see the benefit of the extra one core 50 MHz as well.
Exactly. In fact I wonder why people would even overclock Ryzen if (as with the first gen) it means turning off the sophisticated XFR / boost functions. AMD put a lot of work into those features, which give you CPU horsepower when you need it and nice cool operation otherwise. Having all cores at top speed all the time is so 2008. If you aren't running benchmarks or some other completely demanding task where watts don't matter, worrying about OC on Ryzen seems wrongheaded.
I'd encourage Hilbert to discuss or at least mention the negatives.
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#5539366 Posted on: 04/20/2018 04:16 PM
So buy Intel and get that 95 FPS instead of 85 - in some game you won't play for more than an hour anyway. And give up all the multithread value. Of course then you're voting for stagnation in the CPU market, so 5 years from now the chips available to you will be much worse than if AMD was still in the fight. But you saw FRAPS ramp up there... what a thrill.
2700x same clocks as 8600k yet again for gamers 8600k delivers about 10FPS more. At the same price.
So buy Intel and get that 95 FPS instead of 85 - in some game you won't play for more than an hour anyway. And give up all the multithread value. Of course then you're voting for stagnation in the CPU market, so 5 years from now the chips available to you will be much worse than if AMD was still in the fight. But you saw FRAPS ramp up there... what a thrill.
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#5539368 Posted on: 04/20/2018 04:22 PM
Really there are more gains to be had by overclocking and tweaking RAM timings as far as Ryzen goes.
Really there are more gains to be had by overclocking and tweaking RAM timings as far as Ryzen goes.
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M.2_2 on PCIe 3.0 x4 at cost of 2nd PCIe GPU. For many, good idea. For CF/SLI users, not so much.