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NVIDIA partners halt GeForce GTX 970, 980, 980Ti production and GPU Pascal codenames surface
In anticipation of upcoming Pascal products in the coming month or two, at least that's what hwbattle is reporting this morning. As we get closer to the actual launch more and more tiny little details surface, combined bringing a bigger picture.
Can you smell it in the air ? :sniff::sniff: - yeah that's the smell of 16nm GPUs coming closer and closer.
It looks like that Nvidia will indeed name the upcoming GTX series the GeForce GXT 1070, 1080 and as it seems now perhaps even a 1080 Ti. The GPU naming now surfaced as well. Logic however would assume a Ti release later in the year opposed to everything being released at once in the summer.
- Equivalent to GTX 980 Ti will use a GP 104-400 GPU
- Equivalent to GTX 980 will use a GP 104-200 GPU
- Equivalent to GTX 970 will use a GP 104-150 GPU
As you can see that still leaves open GP100 (big pascal) for later in the year with likely a Titan based naming, ...
| Maxwell | Pascal | Board | Date | |
| NVIDIA Geforce GTX 980Ti | >> | GP 104-400 | Reference -> AIB | early June |
| NVIDIA Geforce GTX 980 | >> | GP 104-200 | Reference -> AIB | early June |
| NVIDIA Geforce GTX 970 | >> | GP 104-150 | AIB design | mid June |
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#5257338 Posted on: 04/13/2016 08:04 AM
If they already halt production, does it mean Pascal will perform way better than current arch that it won't make sense to have those anymore or its regular routine?
If they already halt production, does it mean Pascal will perform way better than current arch that it won't make sense to have those anymore or its regular routine?
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#5257343 Posted on: 04/13/2016 08:22 AM
Somehow I'm not sure the Ti will be based on the GP104. Because it would make the '80' card a cut down chip... does that work with production costs?
Just as a guess, the GP100 ('Titan') has 3840 shader processors, I guess the GP104-400 (biggest one, 'x80 Ti') will have something close to ~3000 shaders. GP104-200 ('x80') will be cut down to ~2500 shaders then? But does it make much sense to have the 'x80' as a cut down chip? It would mean that even the GP104-150 ('x70') would be a full GP104 chip in production, then laster cut? Wouldn't that mean that it unessecarily increased the 'x80's / 'x70's chip production cost?
I thought the 980Ti would only make sense because it was a cut down TitanX, making some use of faulty chips they can't put onto the top tier gaming cards / low rank professional cards.
Or am I seeing it all wrong, or doesn't it make much difference in production costs?
Somehow I'm not sure the Ti will be based on the GP104. Because it would make the '80' card a cut down chip... does that work with production costs?
Just as a guess, the GP100 ('Titan') has 3840 shader processors, I guess the GP104-400 (biggest one, 'x80 Ti') will have something close to ~3000 shaders. GP104-200 ('x80') will be cut down to ~2500 shaders then? But does it make much sense to have the 'x80' as a cut down chip? It would mean that even the GP104-150 ('x70') would be a full GP104 chip in production, then laster cut? Wouldn't that mean that it unessecarily increased the 'x80's / 'x70's chip production cost?
I thought the 980Ti would only make sense because it was a cut down TitanX, making some use of faulty chips they can't put onto the top tier gaming cards / low rank professional cards.
Or am I seeing it all wrong, or doesn't it make much difference in production costs?
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#5257347 Posted on: 04/13/2016 08:28 AM
I seems the time for having a Ti which was based on a Titan with a few "compromises" comes to an end. I hope I'm wrong.
I would have love a 1080Ti based on Titan again with a few things cut down and 12GB HBM2. Wishful thinking I guess.
We will know soon if the performance is there and it justifies their decision. I would have like some GP100.
Btw, this is all based or speculations/rumors so far obviously.
This. Also we can assume if its based on GP104 then no HBM2 for the Ti.
I seems the time for having a Ti which was based on a Titan with a few "compromises" comes to an end. I hope I'm wrong.
I would have love a 1080Ti based on Titan again with a few things cut down and 12GB HBM2. Wishful thinking I guess.
We will know soon if the performance is there and it justifies their decision. I would have like some GP100.
Btw, this is all based or speculations/rumors so far obviously.
...I thought the 980Ti would only make sense because it was a cut down TitanX, making some use of faulty chips they can't put onto the top tier gaming cards / low rank professional cards....
This. Also we can assume if its based on GP104 then no HBM2 for the Ti.
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#5257349 Posted on: 04/13/2016 08:34 AM
Equivalent to GTX 980 Ti will use a GP 104-400 GPU should be 1080
Equivalent to GTX 980 will use a GP 104-200 GPU should be 1070
Equivalent to GTX 970 will use a GP 104-150 GPU should be 1060
GP 104 won't be using HBM2
GP 100 probably 6 to 12 month away yet, with plenty of HBM2 ready for production runs.
GP 100 is probably the Ti and Titan naming range.
GP 100 is 610mm so yield rates on brand new process easy talking 6 month minimum from now before they can get yields to an acceptable production rate.
Equivalent to GTX 980 Ti will use a GP 104-400 GPU should be 1080
Equivalent to GTX 980 will use a GP 104-200 GPU should be 1070
Equivalent to GTX 970 will use a GP 104-150 GPU should be 1060
GP 104 won't be using HBM2
GP 100 probably 6 to 12 month away yet, with plenty of HBM2 ready for production runs.
GP 100 is probably the Ti and Titan naming range.
GP 100 is 610mm so yield rates on brand new process easy talking 6 month minimum from now before they can get yields to an acceptable production rate.
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#5257351 Posted on: 04/13/2016 08:51 AM
I seems the time for having a Ti which was based on a Titan with a few "compromises" comes to an end. I hope I'm wrong.
I would have love a 1080Ti based on Titan again with a few things cut down and 12GB HBM2. Wishful thinking I guess.
We will know soon if the performance is there and it justifies their decision. I would have like some GP100.
Btw, this is all based or speculations/rumors so far obviously.
This. Also we can assume if its based on GP104 then no HBM2 for the Ti.
Question is, what happens with not so well working Titan GPUs? If you are not cutting defective parts into smaller (and working) GPU, where does that go? Are yields so good, that they can throw GPUs to thrash?
There is either bad naming here, or we should presume that there will be yet another GPU based on cut down Biggest Pascal.
Or did they conclude that Having GTX980Ti alongside Titan X was not cost efficient in contrast of having only Titan X?
And they want to separate new Titan performance class more this time around?
I seems the time for having a Ti which was based on a Titan with a few "compromises" comes to an end. I hope I'm wrong.
I would have love a 1080Ti based on Titan again with a few things cut down and 12GB HBM2. Wishful thinking I guess.
We will know soon if the performance is there and it justifies their decision. I would have like some GP100.
Btw, this is all based or speculations/rumors so far obviously.
This. Also we can assume if its based on GP104 then no HBM2 for the Ti.
Question is, what happens with not so well working Titan GPUs? If you are not cutting defective parts into smaller (and working) GPU, where does that go? Are yields so good, that they can throw GPUs to thrash?
There is either bad naming here, or we should presume that there will be yet another GPU based on cut down Biggest Pascal.
Or did they conclude that Having GTX980Ti alongside Titan X was not cost efficient in contrast of having only Titan X?
And they want to separate new Titan performance class more this time around?
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#5257352 Posted on: 04/13/2016 08:52 AM
Question is, what happens with not so well working Titan GPUs? If you are not cutting defective parts into smaller (and working) GPU, where does that go? Are yields so good, that they can throw GPUs to thrash?
There is either bad naming here, or we should presume that there will be yet another GPU based on cut down Biggest Pascal.
Or did they conclude that Having GTX980Ti alongside Titan X was not cost efficient in contrast of having only Titan X?
And they want to separate new Titan performance class more this time around?
... or is the above 'leak' simply wrong?
The longer I think about it, the less I see the table match what I expected, or that would sound logical to me. We'll see if it's true, I can be wrong easily
Question is, what happens with not so well working Titan GPUs? If you are not cutting defective parts into smaller (and working) GPU, where does that go? Are yields so good, that they can throw GPUs to thrash?
There is either bad naming here, or we should presume that there will be yet another GPU based on cut down Biggest Pascal.
Or did they conclude that Having GTX980Ti alongside Titan X was not cost efficient in contrast of having only Titan X?
And they want to separate new Titan performance class more this time around?
... or is the above 'leak' simply wrong?
The longer I think about it, the less I see the table match what I expected, or that would sound logical to me. We'll see if it's true, I can be wrong easily
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#5257363 Posted on: 04/13/2016 09:09 AM
Also about the names, they aren't that bad but I would have prefer the X80, X70, X60 naming scheme. They sound a bit more "futuristic".
I guess they didn't use them because there must have been some conflicts with the names rights or something.
Or saving them for Volta.
P.S: Now that they have hold Maxwell production, will everyone try to get rid of stock? In unprecedented low prices?
Also about the names, they aren't that bad but I would have prefer the X80, X70, X60 naming scheme. They sound a bit more "futuristic".
I guess they didn't use them because there must have been some conflicts with the names rights or something.
Or saving them for Volta.
P.S: Now that they have hold Maxwell production, will everyone try to get rid of stock? In unprecedented low prices?
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#5257364 Posted on: 04/13/2016 09:14 AM
Sweet! Maybe next year, after I get some post college full time money, I'll go buy a x70 equivalent again since my 970 has served me so well.
Sweet! Maybe next year, after I get some post college full time money, I'll go buy a x70 equivalent again since my 970 has served me so well.
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#5257365 Posted on: 04/13/2016 09:18 AM
Also about the names, they aren't that bad but I would have prefer the X80, X70, X60 naming scheme. They sound a bit more "futuristic".
I guess they didn't use them because there must have been some conflicts with the names rights or something.
Or saving them for Volta.
P.S: Now that they have hold Maxwell production, will everyone try to get rid of stock? In unprecedented low prices?
ATi had X800 and it looked good. I had one, but then they had X1800 and that was not cool name.
Here in Czech Republic, I expect price gouging as stock lowers.
Also about the names, they aren't that bad but I would have prefer the X80, X70, X60 naming scheme. They sound a bit more "futuristic".
I guess they didn't use them because there must have been some conflicts with the names rights or something.
Or saving them for Volta.
P.S: Now that they have hold Maxwell production, will everyone try to get rid of stock? In unprecedented low prices?
ATi had X800 and it looked good. I had one, but then they had X1800 and that was not cool name.
Here in Czech Republic, I expect price gouging as stock lowers.
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#5257367 Posted on: 04/13/2016 09:26 AM
Yeah, THOSE were the days. Had an Albatron 5600FX 128MB which I had upgraded to a Gigabyte GeForce 6800 GT 256MB at that time.
I must still have it laying around somewhere irc. I think I had gotten a price for it. Can't remember. Seems decades ago. ha!
Good times!
ATi had X800 and it looked good. I had one, but then they had X1800 and that was not cool name.
Yeah, THOSE were the days. Had an Albatron 5600FX 128MB which I had upgraded to a Gigabyte GeForce 6800 GT 256MB at that time.
I must still have it laying around somewhere irc. I think I had gotten a price for it. Can't remember. Seems decades ago. ha!
Good times!
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#5257382 Posted on: 04/13/2016 10:15 AM
Equivalent to GTX 980 Ti will use a GP 104-400 GPU should be 1080
Equivalent to GTX 980 will use a GP 104-200 GPU should be 1070
Equivalent to GTX 970 will use a GP 104-150 GPU should be 1060
GP 104 won't be using HBM2
GP 100 probably 6 to 12 month away yet, with plenty of HBM2 ready for production runs.
GP 100 is probably the Ti and Titan naming range.
My expectations as well. No point in continuing selling 980ti if a GP104 product matches or beats it at a similar or lower price. Same with 980/970. Also think the 1070/1060 will out-perform the 980/970 and may probably be at the current 970/960 price points.
Equivalent to GTX 980 Ti will use a GP 104-400 GPU should be 1080
Equivalent to GTX 980 will use a GP 104-200 GPU should be 1070
Equivalent to GTX 970 will use a GP 104-150 GPU should be 1060
GP 104 won't be using HBM2
GP 100 probably 6 to 12 month away yet, with plenty of HBM2 ready for production runs.
GP 100 is probably the Ti and Titan naming range.
My expectations as well. No point in continuing selling 980ti if a GP104 product matches or beats it at a similar or lower price. Same with 980/970. Also think the 1070/1060 will out-perform the 980/970 and may probably be at the current 970/960 price points.
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#5257391 Posted on: 04/13/2016 10:36 AM
Hopefully with this die-shrink, we'll also see some mxm cards for laptops. Double-performance of my GTX980m would be amazing.
Hopefully with this die-shrink, we'll also see some mxm cards for laptops. Double-performance of my GTX980m would be amazing.
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#5257411 Posted on: 04/13/2016 11:30 AM
Sorry for the stupid question but this die-shrink to pascal is 14nm or 16nm? Or something else?
Looks like I will be either buying a used 980 ti or I will wait for new Gpu's to hit the market next time I upgrade,my 780 has served me well thus far.
Sorry for the stupid question but this die-shrink to pascal is 14nm or 16nm? Or something else?
Looks like I will be either buying a used 980 ti or I will wait for new Gpu's to hit the market next time I upgrade,my 780 has served me well thus far.
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#5257425 Posted on: 04/13/2016 11:56 AM
Sorry for the stupid question but this die-shrink to pascal is 14nm or 16nm? Or something else?
Looks like I will be either buying a used 980 ti or I will wait for new Gpu's to hit the market next time I upgrade,my 780 has served me well thus far.
Pascal will use 16nm fabrication, Polaris will use 14nm.
Sorry for the stupid question but this die-shrink to pascal is 14nm or 16nm? Or something else?
Looks like I will be either buying a used 980 ti or I will wait for new Gpu's to hit the market next time I upgrade,my 780 has served me well thus far.
Pascal will use 16nm fabrication, Polaris will use 14nm.
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I can't believe we are finally seeing the last days of 28nm GPUs! Hurray!
(I am not saying they are bad, not at all, but we have been stuck with 28nm for too long!)