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NVIDIA Hunts Samsung and Qualcomm for infringing GPU patents
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The company seems to be targeting devices based on Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4, 400, 600, 800, 801 and 805 as well as some based on Samsung's Exynos. Products that use these chips include many of Samsung's smartphones including the Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy Note Edge, Galaxy S5, Galaxy Note 3, Galaxy Tab S, Galaxy Note Pro and Galaxy Tab.
NVIDIA (NASDAQ: NVDA) today announced that it has filed complaints against Samsung and Qualcomm at the International Trade Commission and in the U.S. District Court in Delaware, alleging that the companies are both infringing NVIDIA GPU patents covering technology including programmable shading, unified shaders and multithreaded parallel processing.
The identified Samsung products include the Galaxy Note Edge, Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy S5, Galaxy Note 3 and Galaxy S4 mobile phones; and the Galaxy Tab S, Galaxy Note Pro and Galaxy Tab 2 computer tablets. Most of these devices incorporate Qualcomm mobile processors -- including the Snapdragon S4, 400, 600, 800, 801 and 805. Others are powered by Samsung Exynos mobile chips, which incorporate ARM's Mali and Imagination Technologies' PowerVR GPU cores.
NVIDIA co-founder and CEO Jen-Hsun Huang said: "As the world leader in visual computing, NVIDIA has invented technologies that are vital to mobile computing. We have the richest portfolio of computer graphics IP in the world, with 7,000 patents granted and pending, produced by the industry's best graphics engineers and backed by more than $9 billion in R&D.
"Our patented GPU inventions provide significant value to mobile devices. Samsung and Qualcomm have chosen to use these in their products without a license from us. We are asking the courts to determine infringement of NVIDIA's GPU patents by all graphics architectures used in Samsung's mobile products and to establish their licensing value."
A pioneer in computer graphics, NVIDIA invented the GPU. The graphics processing unit enables computers to generate and display images. It brings to life the beautiful graphics that shape how people enjoy their mobile devices and is fundamental to the rise of mobile computing. NVIDIA GPUs are some of the most complex processors ever created, requiring over a thousand engineering-years to create and containing more than 7 billion transistors.
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#4906549 Posted on: 09/05/2014 10:01 AM
Wouldn't you do the same thing if someone used your patented technology without your consent?
I for one, am generally against such patents. But on the other hand, at least it's not as stupid as apple's phone shape patent lol.
Oh, and I don't agree with your 'monopolistic' part. If nvidia would be true scumbags (not saying they're not scumbags in some regards), they would be competing price-wise, trying to get amd out of business. Same story with intel. I don't even want to think what would happen if intel high end cpus were actually priced competitively.
Typical selfish, monopolistic behavior from Nvidia. Making Android and Linus proud huh?
Wouldn't you do the same thing if someone used your patented technology without your consent?
I for one, am generally against such patents. But on the other hand, at least it's not as stupid as apple's phone shape patent lol.
Oh, and I don't agree with your 'monopolistic' part. If nvidia would be true scumbags (not saying they're not scumbags in some regards), they would be competing price-wise, trying to get amd out of business. Same story with intel. I don't even want to think what would happen if intel high end cpus were actually priced competitively.
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#4906617 Posted on: 09/05/2014 12:12 PM
Nvidia the new Apple?
Nvidia the new Apple?
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#4906622 Posted on: 09/05/2014 12:22 PM
Because there aren't 10,000 other companies that have done this? Is every company the new Apple?
Nvidia the new Apple?
Because there aren't 10,000 other companies that have done this? Is every company the new Apple?
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#4906624 Posted on: 09/05/2014 12:28 PM
At least NVidia isn't trying to get products banned from market like Apple does. If NVidia's claim is in fact true, then they deserve to be reasonably compensated.
I do wish NVidia luck against Samsung. They're the most consumer unfriendly company I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with.
At least NVidia isn't trying to get products banned from market like Apple does. If NVidia's claim is in fact true, then they deserve to be reasonably compensated.
I do wish NVidia luck against Samsung. They're the most consumer unfriendly company I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with.
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#4906627 Posted on: 09/05/2014 12:40 PM
It depends on the details of the case. They haven't waited for 10 years then chased after the profits, which so many of these cases involve. It also appears not to be about something as pathetic as oooh no, they have round corners! which should never have been patented. I've come across a very considerable number of things in my day to day life that have round corners, it's not as if Apple invented it!
The different patent offices around the world seem to have different criteria for allowing patents. In at least the UK and America it seems okay to patent other people's work, as long as their patent has run out (especially for foreign concepts). It's not about who came up with the intellectual property (in this case the knowledge of the product, it's unique design, and manufacturing), for these patent offices it's about transferring as much of this knowledge as possible to their own countries businesses, who thereby re-patent existing designs and transfers the money flow to their own interests.
The real question is whether Samsung etc actually stole the intellectual property of Nvidia, or if Nvidia patented existing concepts (or slightly modified existing concepts) and called it there own. Most likely it's a combination of stupid things that shouldn't have been allowed to be patented in the first place, and Nvidia having patented someone else's work as their own. There may be a truly genuine patent thrown in there for good measure
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It depends on the details of the case. They haven't waited for 10 years then chased after the profits, which so many of these cases involve. It also appears not to be about something as pathetic as oooh no, they have round corners! which should never have been patented. I've come across a very considerable number of things in my day to day life that have round corners, it's not as if Apple invented it!
The different patent offices around the world seem to have different criteria for allowing patents. In at least the UK and America it seems okay to patent other people's work, as long as their patent has run out (especially for foreign concepts). It's not about who came up with the intellectual property (in this case the knowledge of the product, it's unique design, and manufacturing), for these patent offices it's about transferring as much of this knowledge as possible to their own countries businesses, who thereby re-patent existing designs and transfers the money flow to their own interests.
The real question is whether Samsung etc actually stole the intellectual property of Nvidia, or if Nvidia patented existing concepts (or slightly modified existing concepts) and called it there own. Most likely it's a combination of stupid things that shouldn't have been allowed to be patented in the first place, and Nvidia having patented someone else's work as their own. There may be a truly genuine patent thrown in there for good measure
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#4906684 Posted on: 09/05/2014 02:15 PM
Normally I'd be rolling my eyes at this, but nobody pisses off nvidia to this level. Obviously plenty of companies do and say things that nvidia doesn't like, but how often does nvidia actually take action against their problems?
In a way, I feel bad for Samsung (since it seems they're being sued left and right) but honestly, they have the money and marketshare to do great things and instead they take the safe route. Maybe if they used their power to develop their own things before companies Apple or nvidia, they wouldn't be in this mess. Curvy screens isn't good enough.
Normally I'd be rolling my eyes at this, but nobody pisses off nvidia to this level. Obviously plenty of companies do and say things that nvidia doesn't like, but how often does nvidia actually take action against their problems?
In a way, I feel bad for Samsung (since it seems they're being sued left and right) but honestly, they have the money and marketshare to do great things and instead they take the safe route. Maybe if they used their power to develop their own things before companies Apple or nvidia, they wouldn't be in this mess. Curvy screens isn't good enough.
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#4906817 Posted on: 09/05/2014 05:13 PM
Actually this patent infringment are about all GPU's used on ARM chips. They only sue Qualcom for the Adreno and Samsung because they product device with all type of GPU's.
It concern : Qualcom Adreno, PowerVR, ARM Mali, Imagination GPU's
Everyone are sued. But they only attack directly Samsung by asking the court to ban the Note4 and Edge to be sold.
I dont think the point is to really ban the Samsung product to be sold on USA; but basically to force the 4 GPU's brands to pay Nvidia licence fees. Or even more, create a case, where it is the brands who use thoses product who will pay licence fee to Nvidia.
Samsung is here, just because it is the leader on ARM based device market, Qualcom, because it is the leader on ARM chips production.
The question is more, Samsung dont do thoses architecture, he buy the gpu's to Qualcom and other brands.
Anyway, this concern absolutely all brand of smartphones, tablet using ARM chips.. as it cover absolutely everyone who use thoses GPU's.. including Apple, HTC, LG etc.
It was certainly more easy to attack Samsung first, instead of Apple on USA. ( and like i said, this is the leader on the market )
Actually this patent infringment are about all GPU's used on ARM chips. They only sue Qualcom for the Adreno and Samsung because they product device with all type of GPU's.
It concern : Qualcom Adreno, PowerVR, ARM Mali, Imagination GPU's
Everyone are sued. But they only attack directly Samsung by asking the court to ban the Note4 and Edge to be sold.
I dont think the point is to really ban the Samsung product to be sold on USA; but basically to force the 4 GPU's brands to pay Nvidia licence fees. Or even more, create a case, where it is the brands who use thoses product who will pay licence fee to Nvidia.
Samsung is here, just because it is the leader on ARM based device market, Qualcom, because it is the leader on ARM chips production.
The question is more, Samsung dont do thoses architecture, he buy the gpu's to Qualcom and other brands.
Anyway, this concern absolutely all brand of smartphones, tablet using ARM chips.. as it cover absolutely everyone who use thoses GPU's.. including Apple, HTC, LG etc.
It was certainly more easy to attack Samsung first, instead of Apple on USA. ( and like i said, this is the leader on the market )
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#4906831 Posted on: 09/05/2014 05:27 PM
The question is more, Samsung dont do thoses architecture, he buy the gpu's to Qualcom and other brands.
From the article...
"The company seems to be targeting devices based on Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4, 400, 600, 800, 801 and 805 as well as some based on Samsung's Exynos."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
The question is more, Samsung dont do thoses architecture, he buy the gpu's to Qualcom and other brands.
From the article...
"The company seems to be targeting devices based on Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4, 400, 600, 800, 801 and 805 as well as some based on Samsung's Exynos."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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#4906844 Posted on: 09/05/2014 05:37 PM
From the article...
"The company seems to be targeting devices based on Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4, 400, 600, 800, 801 and 805 as well as some based on Samsung's Exynos."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
Samsung use ARM Mali GPU's on Exynos. Samsung dont produce any gpu on his own, he use Adreno on their Qualcom chips, Mali on the Exynos and have use PowerVR and imagination on some selected or old producted by the past.
This is not the ARM Soc who are targeted, but the gpu used on the SOC's.
For the moment i wait to see what patent is involved on it anyway.
From the article...
"The company seems to be targeting devices based on Qualcomm's Snapdragon S4, 400, 600, 800, 801 and 805 as well as some based on Samsung's Exynos."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
Samsung use ARM Mali GPU's on Exynos. Samsung dont produce any gpu on his own, he use Adreno on their Qualcom chips, Mali on the Exynos and have use PowerVR and imagination on some selected or old producted by the past.
This is not the ARM Soc who are targeted, but the gpu used on the SOC's.
For the moment i wait to see what patent is involved on it anyway.
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#4906848 Posted on: 09/05/2014 05:41 PM
Regardless of their packaging simply being other products in a package, the Exynos is still Samsungs product.
Samsung use ARM Mali GPU's on Exynos. Samsung dont produce any gpu on his own, he use Adreno on their Qualcom chips, Mali on the Exynos and have use PowerVR and imagination some selected or old product.
Regardless of their packaging simply being other products in a package, the Exynos is still Samsungs product.
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#4906851 Posted on: 09/05/2014 05:42 PM
Samsung buy the GPU's, they dont create them. And basically when you buy a Qualcomm Snapdragon, you buy too the package with the Adreno. Same for the ARM Mali.
When i say buy, as for ARM, you pay a licence for use their gpu's in your SOC. (which in the case of Qualcom is a bit difference as you buy the complete package, with LTE and all other stuffs. ) . You pay the architecture, you pay the technology, and you pay the right to use them.
Ofc Samsung produce them, Samsung is producting a lot of SOC in their fundry for other brands too ( including Apple ( now in TSMC ).
And the problem will be the same for Apple, LG, HTC and other who use thoses gpu's. ( whatever they make product their SOC in TSMC or in Samsung fundry ).
Again, i want to see what patents are involved, i have not find them so far.. But some article on known site treating of patent, are clear on exactly what is attacked.
I dont say Nvidia is wrong or not, but that it touch every smartphone makers ( as it concern all gpu's brand used on ARM based SOC ). Specially Apple too ofc.
( I understand what you mean by product them, Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung, and some other include the GPU's in their SOC and product them. Some buy the complete SOC to Qualcom. )
Regardless of their packaging simply being other products in a package, the Exynos is still Samsungs product.
Samsung buy the GPU's, they dont create them. And basically when you buy a Qualcomm Snapdragon, you buy too the package with the Adreno. Same for the ARM Mali.
When i say buy, as for ARM, you pay a licence for use their gpu's in your SOC. (which in the case of Qualcom is a bit difference as you buy the complete package, with LTE and all other stuffs. ) . You pay the architecture, you pay the technology, and you pay the right to use them.
Ofc Samsung produce them, Samsung is producting a lot of SOC in their fundry for other brands too ( including Apple ( now in TSMC ).
And the problem will be the same for Apple, LG, HTC and other who use thoses gpu's. ( whatever they make product their SOC in TSMC or in Samsung fundry ).
Again, i want to see what patents are involved, i have not find them so far.. But some article on known site treating of patent, are clear on exactly what is attacked.
I dont say Nvidia is wrong or not, but that it touch every smartphone makers ( as it concern all gpu's brand used on ARM based SOC ). Specially Apple too ofc.
( I understand what you mean by product them, Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung, and some other include the GPU's in their SOC and product them. Some buy the complete SOC to Qualcom. )
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#4906865 Posted on: 09/05/2014 05:59 PM
these companies both have enuff money they shouldnt care about something like this
these companies both have enuff money they shouldnt care about something like this
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#4906997 Posted on: 09/05/2014 08:38 PM
Were it not for the patent system to protect innovations that companies spent tons of their own money to create, the tech-boom would have never happened. Companies spend millions of dollars developing stuff like this and you just think they should give it away for free? or should it be owned by the state and not the individual? Sounds like you're a little too fond the little red book.
Typical selfish, monopolistic behavior from Nvidia. Making Android and Linus proud huh?
Were it not for the patent system to protect innovations that companies spent tons of their own money to create, the tech-boom would have never happened. Companies spend millions of dollars developing stuff like this and you just think they should give it away for free? or should it be owned by the state and not the individual? Sounds like you're a little too fond the little red book.
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#4907004 Posted on: 09/05/2014 08:52 PM
Qualcomm gets a piece on every modem built, but refuses to honor other's IP.
Nvidia tried negotiating with them, they refused. Now they are getting sued. Cry me a river. You and Linus(WTF???) both
Typical selfish, monopolistic behavior from Nvidia. Making Android and Linus proud huh?
Qualcomm gets a piece on every modem built, but refuses to honor other's IP.
Nvidia tried negotiating with them, they refused. Now they are getting sued. Cry me a river. You and Linus(WTF???) both
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Typical selfish, monopolistic behavior from Nvidia. Making Android and Linus proud huh?