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NVIDIA Files Trademarks for 3080, 4080 and 5080
So word out on the street is that the new NAVI cards might be named Radeon RX 3080. Guess what NVIDIA did when they learned about that, they filed a trademark on these 'numbers'. Of course, Nvidia's last two GPU series were named GTX 1080 (Ti) and RTX 2080 (Ti) and yes that could stir up some confusion on brand naming.
NVIDIA now has requested trademarks for "3080", "4080" and "5080". You can read about it on EUIPO (European Union Intellectual Property Office) where the claim has been filed, let me also reiterate that the trademarks have not been granted just. And quite honestly, I doubt you can trademark numbers.
We'll update once we learn more about this ruling.
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#5673280 Posted on: 05/26/2019 04:41 PM
LOL, unbelievable level of stupid. You can't trademark numbers. Nvidia is that bent on slowing down node shrinks as they don't have any tangible benefit for their own IP's.
I have to wonder what they plan on doing once 5nm finally hits. I know, try to trademark 5 and nm.
Yeah, we had that before already years ago with 386 and 486. Intel couldn't trademark numbers so instead of 586 they went with "Pentium."
LOL, unbelievable level of stupid. You can't trademark numbers. Nvidia is that bent on slowing down node shrinks as they don't have any tangible benefit for their own IP's.
I have to wonder what they plan on doing once 5nm finally hits. I know, try to trademark 5 and nm.
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#5673282 Posted on: 05/26/2019 04:48 PM
LOL, unbelievable level of stupid. You can't trademark numbers. Nvidia is that bent on slowing down node shrinks as they don't have any tangible benefit for their own IP's.
I have to wonder what they plan on doing once 5nm finally hits. I know, try to trademark 5 and nm.
You can 100% trademark numbers. Peugeot for example trademarked 901 forcing Porsche to change the 901 to the 911. Whether or not Nvidia will be granted this trademark is a different story.
LOL, unbelievable level of stupid. You can't trademark numbers. Nvidia is that bent on slowing down node shrinks as they don't have any tangible benefit for their own IP's.
I have to wonder what they plan on doing once 5nm finally hits. I know, try to trademark 5 and nm.
You can 100% trademark numbers. Peugeot for example trademarked 901 forcing Porsche to change the 901 to the 911. Whether or not Nvidia will be granted this trademark is a different story.
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#5673286 Posted on: 05/26/2019 04:54 PM
That is a specious assertion with very little substance. Peugeot claimed mindshare of the "0" used in other markets as well as sold that branding already. Furthermore, it wasn't just the number it was directly associated with Peugeot not just 901.
That example is completely different from Nvidia simply trying to prevent AMD from using 3080.
You can 100% trademark numbers. Peugeot for example trademarked 901 forcing Porsche to change the 901 to the 911. Whether or not Nvidia will be granted this trademark is a different story.
That is a specious assertion with very little substance. Peugeot claimed mindshare of the "0" used in other markets as well as sold that branding already. Furthermore, it wasn't just the number it was directly associated with Peugeot not just 901.
That example is completely different from Nvidia simply trying to prevent AMD from using 3080.
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#5673288 Posted on: 05/26/2019 05:04 PM
That is a specious assertion with very little substance. Peugeot claimed mindshare of the "0" used in other markets as well as sold that branding already. Furthermore, it wasn't just the number it was directly associated with Peugeot not just 901.
That example is completely different from Nvidia simply trying to prevent AMD from using 3080.
So what you're saying is they trademarked a number? lol
http://www.giantpeople.com/242.html
You can definitely trademark numbers. So again, whether or not Nvidia will be granted this is another story, but it's possible - especially since they issued the trademark back in January, long before anyone knew what AMD was going to brand it's GPUs.
That is a specious assertion with very little substance. Peugeot claimed mindshare of the "0" used in other markets as well as sold that branding already. Furthermore, it wasn't just the number it was directly associated with Peugeot not just 901.
That example is completely different from Nvidia simply trying to prevent AMD from using 3080.
So what you're saying is they trademarked a number? lol
http://www.giantpeople.com/242.html
You can definitely trademark numbers. So again, whether or not Nvidia will be granted this is another story, but it's possible - especially since they issued the trademark back in January, long before anyone knew what AMD was going to brand it's GPUs.
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#5673291 Posted on: 05/26/2019 05:10 PM
Peugeot trade mark the 0 there because it was a convenient place to hide the hand crank we are talking about 100+ years back on that one !
On the other hand yeah i can see why they would do that amd lately "trolling" competitors with the naming even if their trademark fail it might be enough to force amd to let this name go and go for 6xx or 7xx naming sceme ....hmm why don't they call the big navi 3870 ?
will bring out memories when the 3870 was not as fast as 8800gt but pricing wise was very competitive . The only thing i hope this is the line of series the navi brings and not the 2900xt etc etc
You can 100% trademark numbers. Peugeot for example trademarked 901 forcing Porsche to change the 901 to the 911. Whether or not Nvidia will be granted this trademark is a different story.
Peugeot trade mark the 0 there because it was a convenient place to hide the hand crank we are talking about 100+ years back on that one !
On the other hand yeah i can see why they would do that amd lately "trolling" competitors with the naming even if their trademark fail it might be enough to force amd to let this name go and go for 6xx or 7xx naming sceme ....hmm why don't they call the big navi 3870 ?
will bring out memories when the 3870 was not as fast as 8800gt but pricing wise was very competitive . The only thing i hope this is the line of series the navi brings and not the 2900xt etc etc
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#5673293 Posted on: 05/26/2019 05:27 PM
LOL, unbelievable level of stupid. You can't trademark numbers. Nvidia is that bent on slowing down node shrinks as they don't have any tangible benefit for their own IP's.
I have to wonder what they plan on doing once 5nm finally hits. I know, try to trademark 5 and nm.
The only stupid thing here is AMD intentionally confusing users to grab a few more sales. There is absolutely no reason to directly invade NVIDIAs numbering scheme, other then shady marketing. You can like or dislike either NVIDIA or AMD all you want, but they have absolutely no logical reason to use 3080 for their graphics marketing, other then trying to ride on NVIDIA popularity.
They've had seperate numbering schemes for years, why muddy the waters now by doing such nonsense?
LOL, unbelievable level of stupid. You can't trademark numbers. Nvidia is that bent on slowing down node shrinks as they don't have any tangible benefit for their own IP's.
I have to wonder what they plan on doing once 5nm finally hits. I know, try to trademark 5 and nm.
The only stupid thing here is AMD intentionally confusing users to grab a few more sales. There is absolutely no reason to directly invade NVIDIAs numbering scheme, other then shady marketing. You can like or dislike either NVIDIA or AMD all you want, but they have absolutely no logical reason to use 3080 for their graphics marketing, other then trying to ride on NVIDIA popularity.
They've had seperate numbering schemes for years, why muddy the waters now by doing such nonsense?
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#5673298 Posted on: 05/26/2019 05:35 PM
So
So
Bosch MFQ 4080
wil be sad eh?
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#5673299 Posted on: 05/26/2019 05:40 PM
No because that's not how trademarks on generic terms work.
So
Bosch MFQ 4080
wil be sad eh?No because that's not how trademarks on generic terms work.
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#5673303 Posted on: 05/26/2019 05:55 PM
Something tells me AMD won't be using the 3060/70/80/90 etc for their upcoming gpu's.
Reason be that IF they were actually going with that naming scheme, I'm quite sure their legal team would have had handle all the necessary naming legal stuff beforehand.
I could be wrong tho.
Something tells me AMD won't be using the 3060/70/80/90 etc for their upcoming gpu's.
Reason be that IF they were actually going with that naming scheme, I'm quite sure their legal team would have had handle all the necessary naming legal stuff beforehand.
I could be wrong tho.
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#5673320 Posted on: 05/26/2019 06:25 PM
Competition sometimes brings the very bad behaviors on some companies ... On the opposite we costumers benefit from it and brings out our best behaviors :p
Competition sometimes brings the very bad behaviors on some companies ... On the opposite we costumers benefit from it and brings out our best behaviors :p
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#5673323 Posted on: 05/26/2019 06:27 PM
Can you actually trademark a number? This is absurd.
I understand if you make a product and try to trademark its name, so it never gets confused with anything else or copycats.
But actually trying to trademark a number? That could lead to allot of trouble...
Just idiotic on my opinion, but I understand their fear.
Can you actually trademark a number? This is absurd.
I understand if you make a product and try to trademark its name, so it never gets confused with anything else or copycats.
But actually trying to trademark a number? That could lead to allot of trouble...
Just idiotic on my opinion, but I understand their fear.
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#5673332 Posted on: 05/26/2019 06:42 PM
Can you actually trademark a number? This is absurd.
I understand if you make a product and try to trademark its name, so it never gets confused with anything else or copycats.
But actually trying to trademark a number? That could lead to allot of trouble...
Just idiotic on my opinion, but I understand their fear.
Why would it lead to a lot of trouble? When you trademark a generic term/word it protects competing companies from using it - it doesn't prevent everyone from using it. Boeing trademarked 747 - its not like no other company can use 747. Apple owns "Apple" - probably one of the most common words in the english language yet there is no problem with other companies like Scholastic for example using the word Apple in their own products. In fact both companies own the trademark for the word "Apple".
If Nvidia is granted 3080/4080/5080 (I don't think they will be but it's definitely possible) it's not like it takes those numbers off the table for everyone else. It just prevents companies selling similar products to Nvidia, in this case AMD, from producing products with those numbers. Which IMO is fine. I've not seen a single good reason why AMD should name their GPUs with the exact same number scheme as Nvidia. The best argument is that it matches their processor branding - in which case let them name it RX 3700 or something. There is no reason for them to use 30X0/40X0 other then to purposely confuse customers.
Can you actually trademark a number? This is absurd.
I understand if you make a product and try to trademark its name, so it never gets confused with anything else or copycats.
But actually trying to trademark a number? That could lead to allot of trouble...
Just idiotic on my opinion, but I understand their fear.
Why would it lead to a lot of trouble? When you trademark a generic term/word it protects competing companies from using it - it doesn't prevent everyone from using it. Boeing trademarked 747 - its not like no other company can use 747. Apple owns "Apple" - probably one of the most common words in the english language yet there is no problem with other companies like Scholastic for example using the word Apple in their own products. In fact both companies own the trademark for the word "Apple".
If Nvidia is granted 3080/4080/5080 (I don't think they will be but it's definitely possible) it's not like it takes those numbers off the table for everyone else. It just prevents companies selling similar products to Nvidia, in this case AMD, from producing products with those numbers. Which IMO is fine. I've not seen a single good reason why AMD should name their GPUs with the exact same number scheme as Nvidia. The best argument is that it matches their processor branding - in which case let them name it RX 3700 or something. There is no reason for them to use 30X0/40X0 other then to purposely confuse customers.
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#5673340 Posted on: 05/26/2019 06:57 PM
You can't trademark 3080.
You can trademark RTX 3080
and if RX 3080 is ruled too similar to RTX 3080 it means AMD can't use it.
You can't trademark 3080.
You can trademark RTX 3080
and if RX 3080 is ruled too similar to RTX 3080 it means AMD can't use it.
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#5673345 Posted on: 05/26/2019 07:19 PM
As others have said, you can't trademark numbers.
And ATI/AMD and nVidia already had cards with the same numbers:
Radeon 9800
Geforce 9800
Radeon R9 280
Geforce 280
There are many more examples, but you got my point. If they could use the same numbers before, it is a precedent on top of not being able to trademark numbers, not even if you put a letter in front of it, like Intel did with i386 and i486.
As others have said, you can't trademark numbers.
And ATI/AMD and nVidia already had cards with the same numbers:
Radeon 9800
Geforce 9800
Radeon R9 280
Geforce 280
There are many more examples, but you got my point. If they could use the same numbers before, it is a precedent on top of not being able to trademark numbers, not even if you put a letter in front of it, like Intel did with i386 and i486.
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Yeah, we had that before already years ago with 386 and 486. Intel couldn't trademark numbers so instead of 586 they went with "Pentium."