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Sony sees a future in raytraced games well, Raytracing will get supported on the console. Cerny calls this the biggest change in years for gaming hardware. It is still unknown whether it will be hardware-based ray tracing, where there are physical dedicated cores - such as Nvidia's RTX cards. Raytracing is also possible through software but places a hefty toll on the processor.
The Playstation will get a Zen 2 architecture based processor with 8 cores, and a GPU based on Navi (the 2019 equivalent to Polaris). Over at Wired they say it will have an SSD - as well. According to Cerny, this is a special SSD with more bandwidth than any available SSD for PCs. It is therefore probably a NAND memory that is soldered to the motherboard making the best use of speedy interconnects and thus lower latency as well.
In a demo a 4K TV was used, however, the console would also support 8K. Cerny was very unclear about what the console will be called, and unfortunately, the console will not end up on the shelves in 2019 either. An explanation for this could be that developers need the time to implement raytracing in their games and yeah, they will need the actual hardware ready as well.
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#5660848 Posted on: 04/17/2019 06:52 AM
Excited to see a CPU like that in it. I feel like games haven't pushed CPU performance for such a long time due to consoles having a huge CPU bottleneck.
Excited to see a CPU like that in it. I feel like games haven't pushed CPU performance for such a long time due to consoles having a huge CPU bottleneck.
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#5660849 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:05 AM
8K and ray tracing xDDDD
sure
8K and ray tracing xDDDD
sure
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#5660850 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:11 AM
Hopefully with the launch of this console and the new X Box we will see game devs start to push the envelope when it comes to more graphics features
Hopefully with the launch of this console and the new X Box we will see game devs start to push the envelope when it comes to more graphics features
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#5660851 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:14 AM
Maybe a SMALL number of games will have raytracing. But it's enough for building hype. Hope that this will bring some cash to AMD.
Maybe a SMALL number of games will have raytracing. But it's enough for building hype. Hope that this will bring some cash to AMD.
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#5660852 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:31 AM
I honestly don't see the point of ray tracing. It's just a gimmick at best, adds almost no value to gameplay.
They should have focused on proper destructible environments. That's what I would consider amazing.
I honestly don't see the point of ray tracing. It's just a gimmick at best, adds almost no value to gameplay.
They should have focused on proper destructible environments. That's what I would consider amazing.
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#5660853 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:43 AM
I honestly don't see the point of ray tracing. It's just a gimmick at best, adds almost no value to gameplay.
They should have focused on proper destructible environments. That's what I would consider amazing.
Ray Tracing is the future in terms of graphics, the same goes for physical aspects of engines. Those two things go hand in hand.
I honestly don't see the point of ray tracing. It's just a gimmick at best, adds almost no value to gameplay.
They should have focused on proper destructible environments. That's what I would consider amazing.
Ray Tracing is the future in terms of graphics, the same goes for physical aspects of engines. Those two things go hand in hand.
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#5660854 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:44 AM
Didn't Playstation 4 / XB1 already have eight cores in their CPUs? I thought they were already highly cored just... didn't make much use of it.
Also, what ray tracing? If it's AMD's raytracing (which is not really dx12's DXR), I'll be curious to see how they handle it on the PC.
Generally, as I've said my farewell to consoles years ago, I hope they open up more breath for making use of what's in PCs for years already.
Didn't Playstation 4 / XB1 already have eight cores in their CPUs? I thought they were already highly cored just... didn't make much use of it.
Also, what ray tracing? If it's AMD's raytracing (which is not really dx12's DXR), I'll be curious to see how they handle it on the PC.
Generally, as I've said my farewell to consoles years ago, I hope they open up more breath for making use of what's in PCs for years already.
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#5660856 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:47 AM
I honestly don't see the point of ray tracing. It's just a gimmick at best, adds almost no value to gameplay.
They should have focused on proper destructible environments. That's what I would consider amazing.
How ca anyone say this ?
Yes the curent graphic cards are bad for ray tracing.
BUT ray tracing done right is crazy, you will need a monster config to run it, but still is incredible.
Look at ray tracing in movies.
I agree that the hardware for end users is not there yet, but the technology is crazy.
As for PS 5, i just hope we will have good fps using ray tracing at 4k, i don't think it will work on 8k.
But the most important fact from what Mark Cerny say'd for me is backward compatibility features for games and PSVR.
I honestly don't see the point of ray tracing. It's just a gimmick at best, adds almost no value to gameplay.
They should have focused on proper destructible environments. That's what I would consider amazing.
How ca anyone say this ?
Yes the curent graphic cards are bad for ray tracing.
BUT ray tracing done right is crazy, you will need a monster config to run it, but still is incredible.
Look at ray tracing in movies.
I agree that the hardware for end users is not there yet, but the technology is crazy.
As for PS 5, i just hope we will have good fps using ray tracing at 4k, i don't think it will work on 8k.
But the most important fact from what Mark Cerny say'd for me is backward compatibility features for games and PSVR.
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#5660857 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:48 AM
I honestly don't see the point of ray tracing. It's just a gimmick at best, adds almost no value to gameplay.
They should have focused on proper destructible environments. That's what I would consider amazing.
That is software engined related problem and does not look like you need special hardware for that.a
Am i wrong?
I honestly don't see the point of ray tracing. It's just a gimmick at best, adds almost no value to gameplay.
They should have focused on proper destructible environments. That's what I would consider amazing.
That is software engined related problem and does not look like you need special hardware for that.a
Am i wrong?
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#5660859 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:52 AM
BUT ray tracing done right is crazy, you will need a monster config to run it, but still is incredible.
Look at ray tracing in movies.
I agree that the hardware for end users is not there yet, but the technology is crazy.
As for PS 5, I just hope we will have good fps using ray tracing at 4k, I don't think it will work on 8k.
But the most important fact from what Mark Cerny say'd for me is backward compatibility features for games and PSVR.
Does not have to have raytracing at all, good fps at 1080+ or 1440 scaled up to 4k would be good enough.
I do not see it hitting 60fps in 4k on the newer titles since to do that on pc we see what hardware we need.
BUT ray tracing done right is crazy, you will need a monster config to run it, but still is incredible.
Look at ray tracing in movies.
I agree that the hardware for end users is not there yet, but the technology is crazy.
As for PS 5, I just hope we will have good fps using ray tracing at 4k, I don't think it will work on 8k.
But the most important fact from what Mark Cerny say'd for me is backward compatibility features for games and PSVR.
Does not have to have raytracing at all, good fps at 1080+ or 1440 scaled up to 4k would be good enough.
I do not see it hitting 60fps in 4k on the newer titles since to do that on pc we see what hardware we need.
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#5660861 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:54 AM
That is software engined related problem and does not look like you need special hardware for that.a
Am i wrong?
You are not wrong, but to me the problem is like this, either make a monster CPU that can handle all, or like NVIDIA did make dedicated hardware for specific tasks (eg. Nvidia 2xxx).
That is software engined related problem and does not look like you need special hardware for that.a
Am i wrong?
You are not wrong, but to me the problem is like this, either make a monster CPU that can handle all, or like NVIDIA did make dedicated hardware for specific tasks (eg. Nvidia 2xxx).
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#5660862 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:54 AM
I agree, ray tracing can be OK, but look at the visuals right now, or rather the physical interaction in games. Shoot a tree and nothing happens. Fire a canon at a wall, it either turns from a house in one frame to rubble in the next frame with zero transition. Or you see some color change.It's just so fake looking.
I believe these things should be attended to first before touching on ray tracing.
It's like applying icing to a cake batter. (without baking it first if you know what I mean)
I agree, ray tracing can be OK, but look at the visuals right now, or rather the physical interaction in games. Shoot a tree and nothing happens. Fire a canon at a wall, it either turns from a house in one frame to rubble in the next frame with zero transition. Or you see some color change.It's just so fake looking.
I believe these things should be attended to first before touching on ray tracing.
It's like applying icing to a cake batter. (without baking it first if you know what I mean)
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#5660863 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:55 AM
Not true.
Raytracing for level/map/character 'baking' pre-runtime is where the action will be, @ runtime, you will have rays being calculated by using the AO and a denoiser, so blocky/speckled becomes smoother than a puma.
Maybe a SMALL number of games will have raytracing. But it's enough for building hype. Hope that this will bring some cash to AMD.
Not true.
Raytracing for level/map/character 'baking' pre-runtime is where the action will be, @ runtime, you will have rays being calculated by using the AO and a denoiser, so blocky/speckled becomes smoother than a puma.
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#5660864 Posted on: 04/17/2019 07:56 AM
More of the same, just more powerful IMHO.
The gaming industry, with the Nintendo exception, lacks novelty. No new games concepts appeared. VR and AR are here to help, I hope, to find something more just shooting avatars.
Tetris is still the best game ever !!
More of the same, just more powerful IMHO.
The gaming industry, with the Nintendo exception, lacks novelty. No new games concepts appeared. VR and AR are here to help, I hope, to find something more just shooting avatars.
Tetris is still the best game ever !!
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Mainly I'm looking forward to backward compatibility features. Other than this, I'm sure it will be a fantastic console.