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Microsoft has launched Windows RT Windows 10 S. Windows 10 S is a version of the OS targeted at students of all ages that promises higher performance, better battery life, and tighter security.
Microsoft, which makes the most popular desktop OS in the world, Windows, has had no answer for it. It only recently started building its own PCs — which tend to be on the premium side of pricing — and Windows is, well, Windows, a $120 product that relies on sometimes expensive, large third-party applications that you download and install. It has a good cloud game in One Drive, but there hasn't really been a marriage between platform, price and cloud accessibility. Windows 10 S is at least part of Microsoft's answer.
Windows 10 S to make its debut on cheap laptops and tablets from PC manufacturers, offering more affordable computers with more bang for their buck. The “S” stands for “streamlined, significant performance, and security,” Microsoft Windows boss Terry Myerson said on stage at Microsoft’s event. Myerson said the “s” also stands for the “soul” of the operating system.
But the perks of Windows 10 S come with a tradeoff: You’ll only be able to download and run apps from the Windows Store, the app store built into Windows 10. Which means, at the very least, that you’re stuck with Microsoft Edge, the browser built into Windows 10, since Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox aren’t (currently) in the Windows Store. Microsoft Office, the full desktop versions, are coming to the Windows Store “soon,” says Myerson.
"We're taking a new approach," Myerson said. "Simplify to magnify... We're proud to introduce Windows 10 S." He said that it's streamlined, simplified, and offers "superior performance", describing it as "the soul of today's Windows."
Without the ability to install outside software, it also greatly reduces the amount of stuff that’s running in the background. That means that, much like Google’s Chromebooks, Windows 10 S-powered PCs can boot up quickly and get snappier performance with less slowdown.
Finally, Windows 10 S has one big thing that Chromebooks don’t: If you’re using Windows 10 S, and you decide that the whole “Windows Store” thing is too limiting, you can pay a relatively small fee to upgrade to a full version of Windows 10 Pro – at which point, it becomes just your normal, everyday Windows computer. At that point, though, you theoretically lose out on the better battery life and guaranteed higher performance.
Acer, Asus, Dell, Fujitsu, HP, Samsung, Toshiba are among the company's hardware partners to be planning Windows 10 S devices that will launch "in the coming months", priced from just $189. All of these devices will also include a free one-year subscription to Minecraft: Education Edition, as well as free Office 365 for Education, including Microsoft Teams.
This latest flavor of Windows will arrive inside new, low-cost laptops from Microsoft Partners and Microsoft itself in time for the back to school buying season. Microsoft hasn't specified standalone pricing since it expects Windows 10 S will ship with low-cost systems.
Source: Businessinsider - finance.yahoo
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#5427179 Posted on: 05/02/2017 04:02 PM
This is going to cost MS again millions (EU law browser choose and using corporate etc.)
This is going to cost MS again millions (EU law browser choose and using corporate etc.)
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#5427184 Posted on: 05/02/2017 04:07 PM
No, it will not. No one prevents Google or others to publish their browsers on Windows Store.
Chromebooks come with Chrome-only browser... no one is chasing them for this, right?
Regardless, like those above, haters are still going to hate this Windows.
I don't care, I think MS made the right move.
This is going to cost MS again millions (EU law browser choose and using corporate etc.)
No, it will not. No one prevents Google or others to publish their browsers on Windows Store.
Chromebooks come with Chrome-only browser... no one is chasing them for this, right?
Regardless, like those above, haters are still going to hate this Windows.
I don't care, I think MS made the right move.
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#5427198 Posted on: 05/02/2017 04:25 PM
RT was only running ARM binaries and on ARM CPUs. This is x86 and ARM. You can even upgrade it to Pro in order to run win32 apps. Although I don't get why you would ever want to.
No it won't. This is an EDU version, whoever gets this knows exactly what they're getting. Unlike Apple, Microsoft does allow direct competitor apps into their store, as well as sideloading.
This it's going to be windows rt all over again...
RT was only running ARM binaries and on ARM CPUs. This is x86 and ARM. You can even upgrade it to Pro in order to run win32 apps. Although I don't get why you would ever want to.
This is going to cost MS again millions (EU law browser choose and using corporate etc.)
No it won't. This is an EDU version, whoever gets this knows exactly what they're getting. Unlike Apple, Microsoft does allow direct competitor apps into their store, as well as sideloading.
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#5427231 Posted on: 05/02/2017 05:44 PM
*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*
This is an awful, closed, shutoff system. Like apple's iOS, just without the mindless, zombielike fellowship of users. It is going to fail, just like RT, just because of different reasons.
RT was only running ARM binaries and on ARM CPUs. This is x86 and ARM. You can even upgrade it to Pro in order to run win32 apps. Although I don't get why you would ever want to.
Hands up for any Windows 10 user that has used the Windows Store to install/buy software.
*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*
This is an awful, closed, shutoff system. Like apple's iOS, just without the mindless, zombielike fellowship of users. It is going to fail, just like RT, just because of different reasons.
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#5427250 Posted on: 05/02/2017 06:47 PM
There's nothing wrong with being "stuck " with Edge. It's a fast and excellent browser that keeps getting better all the time. I think these new machines will sell well.
Having said that, I'll stick with my 10" RCA tablet that runs full Windows 10, has a keyboard that turns it into a small laptop, and is surprisingly fast with it's Atom Bay Trail quad core CPU and only 2 GB of RAM. The best part is it only cost $99 brand new.
There's nothing wrong with being "stuck " with Edge. It's a fast and excellent browser that keeps getting better all the time. I think these new machines will sell well.
Having said that, I'll stick with my 10" RCA tablet that runs full Windows 10, has a keyboard that turns it into a small laptop, and is surprisingly fast with it's Atom Bay Trail quad core CPU and only 2 GB of RAM. The best part is it only cost $99 brand new.
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#5427253 Posted on: 05/02/2017 06:52 PM
Hands up for any Windows 10 user that has used the Windows Store to install/buy software.
*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*
This is an awful, closed, shutoff system. Like apple's iOS, just without the mindless, zombielike fellowship of users. It is going to fail, just like RT, just because of different reasons."Raises Hand". I have installed Forza APEX which was free and purchased Forza: Horizon 3 that cost $60 and is worth every penny. I have also tried out other apps (both desktop and mobile) and some were good, some not so much. The Windows Store is an evolving marketplace and will only get better with time.
Hands up for any Windows 10 user that has used the Windows Store to install/buy software.
*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*
This is an awful, closed, shutoff system. Like apple's iOS, just without the mindless, zombielike fellowship of users. It is going to fail, just like RT, just because of different reasons."Raises Hand". I have installed Forza APEX which was free and purchased Forza: Horizon 3 that cost $60 and is worth every penny. I have also tried out other apps (both desktop and mobile) and some were good, some not so much. The Windows Store is an evolving marketplace and will only get better with time.
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#5427291 Posted on: 05/02/2017 08:46 PM
No, it will not. No one prevents Google or others to publish their browsers on Windows Store.
Chromebooks come with Chrome-only browser... no one is chasing them for this, right?
That's because people actually WANT to use Chrome. The vast majority of people who use IE, Edge, and (for Mac users) Safari is because that's the web browser that came with their computer and they don't know any alternatives. Yes, there are exceptions, and there are also people who need to use a browser like IE for compatibility reasons, but Windows S is not likely to cater to such demographics.
Also, you can in fact run other browsers on a Chromebook, with tools like Crouton, though personally I don't really understand why you'd want to.
Regardless, like those above, haters are still going to hate this Windows.
I don't care, I think MS made the right move.
People hate on MS because they intentionally cripple things. Unlike Chrome OS, which is based on a specialized kernel, a custom graphical server, and is meant to be nothing more than a web browser, Windows S has a huge potential to threaten Chrome OS, but Edge is not a mature enough browser and although the Windows Store ought to be a sufficient ecosystem, many people are rightfully wary of it.
I don't think Windows S is necessarily a bad OS, but I don't think MS actually understands why people buy Chromebooks.
No, it will not. No one prevents Google or others to publish their browsers on Windows Store.
Chromebooks come with Chrome-only browser... no one is chasing them for this, right?
That's because people actually WANT to use Chrome. The vast majority of people who use IE, Edge, and (for Mac users) Safari is because that's the web browser that came with their computer and they don't know any alternatives. Yes, there are exceptions, and there are also people who need to use a browser like IE for compatibility reasons, but Windows S is not likely to cater to such demographics.
Also, you can in fact run other browsers on a Chromebook, with tools like Crouton, though personally I don't really understand why you'd want to.
Regardless, like those above, haters are still going to hate this Windows.
I don't care, I think MS made the right move.
People hate on MS because they intentionally cripple things. Unlike Chrome OS, which is based on a specialized kernel, a custom graphical server, and is meant to be nothing more than a web browser, Windows S has a huge potential to threaten Chrome OS, but Edge is not a mature enough browser and although the Windows Store ought to be a sufficient ecosystem, many people are rightfully wary of it.
I don't think Windows S is necessarily a bad OS, but I don't think MS actually understands why people buy Chromebooks.
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#5427294 Posted on: 05/02/2017 08:54 PM
People are used to Chrome because IT people like myself pushed it hard when the only serious IE alternative was an overbloated Firefox. Chrome was open source, light and simple, and that lead to the lead it currently holds.
All of these characteristics with the crucial exception of being open source, are basically transferred to Edge.
Microsoft should open source the whole browser, not only the ChakraCore, and deliver it to multiple platforms like they do with Office.
That's because people actually WANT to use Chrome.
People are used to Chrome because IT people like myself pushed it hard when the only serious IE alternative was an overbloated Firefox. Chrome was open source, light and simple, and that lead to the lead it currently holds.
All of these characteristics with the crucial exception of being open source, are basically transferred to Edge.
Microsoft should open source the whole browser, not only the ChakraCore, and deliver it to multiple platforms like they do with Office.
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#5427297 Posted on: 05/02/2017 09:00 PM
People are used to Chrome because IT people like myself pushed it hard when the only serious IE alternative was an overbloated Firefox. Chrome was open source, light and simple, and that lead to the lead it currently holds.
All of these characteristics with the crucial exception of being open source, are basically transferred to Edge.
Chrome's popularity would've progressed without the influence of IT people, maybe just not as much as it has.
I'm sure Edge will follow the path of Chrome, but will always remain closed source. Chrome is still a good browser. Maybe not light, but it is generally reliable and very capable. I do like the lightness of Edge (which is why I use it when I use Windows) but I do find its interface a little cumbersome at times, and it freezes often.
People are used to Chrome because IT people like myself pushed it hard when the only serious IE alternative was an overbloated Firefox. Chrome was open source, light and simple, and that lead to the lead it currently holds.
All of these characteristics with the crucial exception of being open source, are basically transferred to Edge.
Chrome's popularity would've progressed without the influence of IT people, maybe just not as much as it has.
I'm sure Edge will follow the path of Chrome, but will always remain closed source. Chrome is still a good browser. Maybe not light, but it is generally reliable and very capable. I do like the lightness of Edge (which is why I use it when I use Windows) but I do find its interface a little cumbersome at times, and it freezes often.
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#5427368 Posted on: 05/03/2017 03:00 AM
As a ChromeOS, Windows and Linux user.... Windows S doesn't interest me in the least.
I've downloaded apps from the Windows Store myself, but would find it difficult to survive just on the Windows Store, if not nearly impossible. I also find the quality and functionality of a lot of the apps to be laughable.
No it won't. This is an EDU version, whoever gets this knows exactly what they're getting. Unlike Apple, Microsoft does allow direct competitor apps into their store, as well as sideloading.
By my count, there's at least 6 competing browsers in the Windows Store right now. There's even apps to compete with Office and Outlook.
People hate on MS because they intentionally cripple things. Unlike Chrome OS, which is based on a specialized kernel, a custom graphical server, and is meant to be nothing more than a web browser, Windows S has a huge potential to threaten Chrome OS, but Edge is not a mature enough browser and although the Windows Store ought to be a sufficient ecosystem, many people are rightfully wary of it.
I don't think Windows S is necessarily a bad OS, but I don't think MS actually understands why people buy Chromebooks.
Chrome OS is a heavily modified (gimped) Ubuntu just like SteamOS....but more capable (at least from what I've read).
People are used to Chrome because IT people like myself pushed it hard when the only serious IE alternative was an overbloated Firefox. Chrome was open source, light and simple, and that lead to the lead it currently holds.
Chrome is not, and never was, open source. Chromium is open-source. Chrome is built off of Chromium and contains a lot of "proprietary code"...
As a ChromeOS, Windows and Linux user.... Windows S doesn't interest me in the least.
I've downloaded apps from the Windows Store myself, but would find it difficult to survive just on the Windows Store, if not nearly impossible. I also find the quality and functionality of a lot of the apps to be laughable.
No it won't. This is an EDU version, whoever gets this knows exactly what they're getting. Unlike Apple, Microsoft does allow direct competitor apps into their store, as well as sideloading.
By my count, there's at least 6 competing browsers in the Windows Store right now. There's even apps to compete with Office and Outlook.
People hate on MS because they intentionally cripple things. Unlike Chrome OS, which is based on a specialized kernel, a custom graphical server, and is meant to be nothing more than a web browser, Windows S has a huge potential to threaten Chrome OS, but Edge is not a mature enough browser and although the Windows Store ought to be a sufficient ecosystem, many people are rightfully wary of it.
I don't think Windows S is necessarily a bad OS, but I don't think MS actually understands why people buy Chromebooks.
Chrome OS is a heavily modified (gimped) Ubuntu just like SteamOS....but more capable (at least from what I've read).
People are used to Chrome because IT people like myself pushed it hard when the only serious IE alternative was an overbloated Firefox. Chrome was open source, light and simple, and that lead to the lead it currently holds.
Chrome is not, and never was, open source. Chromium is open-source. Chrome is built off of Chromium and contains a lot of "proprietary code"...
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#5427382 Posted on: 05/03/2017 04:07 AM
That's probably a necessity to prevent accusations of anticompetition. I don't know if any popular web browsers or office alternatives exist though; MS likely assumes the less popular alternatives will largely go ignored.
It, along with most other heavily customized OSes, is actually based on Gentoo, which predates Ubuntu and is often considered the most advanced Linux distro. SteamOS meanwhile is based on Debian (which Ubuntu is based on).
I think Chrome in fact is open-source, but it isn't free (as in freedom) open source. Firefox is the same way. In other words, you're permitted to access and modify the source code but you're not allowed to redistribute it. Meanwhile, Chromium (and Iceweasel) do permit this. From what I recall, the lack of freedom is due to trademarks. Both of these programs are pretty much identical in usage but they have minor tweaks in the interest of things such as user privacy.
By my count, there's at least 6 competing browsers in the Windows Store right now. There's even apps to compete with Office and Outlook.
That's probably a necessity to prevent accusations of anticompetition. I don't know if any popular web browsers or office alternatives exist though; MS likely assumes the less popular alternatives will largely go ignored.
Chrome OS is a heavily modified (gimped) Ubuntu just like SteamOS....but more capable (at least from what I've read).
It, along with most other heavily customized OSes, is actually based on Gentoo, which predates Ubuntu and is often considered the most advanced Linux distro. SteamOS meanwhile is based on Debian (which Ubuntu is based on).
Chrome is not, and never was, open source. Chromium is open-source. Chrome is built off of Chromium and contains a lot of "proprietary code"...
I think Chrome in fact is open-source, but it isn't free (as in freedom) open source. Firefox is the same way. In other words, you're permitted to access and modify the source code but you're not allowed to redistribute it. Meanwhile, Chromium (and Iceweasel) do permit this. From what I recall, the lack of freedom is due to trademarks. Both of these programs are pretty much identical in usage but they have minor tweaks in the interest of things such as user privacy.
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#5427911 Posted on: 05/04/2017 12:53 PM
That's probably a necessity to prevent accusations of anticompetition. I don't know if any popular web browsers or office alternatives exist though; MS likely assumes the less popular alternatives will largely go ignored.
It, along with most other heavily customized OSes, is actually based on Gentoo, which predates Ubuntu and is often considered the most advanced Linux distro. SteamOS meanwhile is based on Debian (which Ubuntu is based on).
I think Chrome in fact is open-source, but it isn't free (as in freedom) open source. Firefox is the same way. In other words, you're permitted to access and modify the source code but you're not allowed to redistribute it. Meanwhile, Chromium (and Iceweasel) do permit this. From what I recall, the lack of freedom is due to trademarks. Both of these programs are pretty much identical in usage but they have minor tweaks in the interest of things such as user privacy.
If ChromeOS is based on Gentoo now, that's a deviation from it's original development path. CloudReady, a ChromiumOS distro, actually contains portions of Ubuntu code. ChromiumOS is the Open-Source code that ChromeOS is built on.
Yes, technically, anything that's "Ubuntu based" is Debian based. Ubuntu does license some of their "proprietary code" for use by 3rd parties though.
The Chrome browser is not "open source". Chromium is. Chromium is the base, open-source code, used for the Chrome browser. The Chrome browser is Chromium + "proprietary code"....
Anything carrying the "Chromium" name is Open-Source. The "Chrome" name implies "proprietary code" is used and thus, closed-source.
That's probably a necessity to prevent accusations of anticompetition. I don't know if any popular web browsers or office alternatives exist though; MS likely assumes the less popular alternatives will largely go ignored.
It, along with most other heavily customized OSes, is actually based on Gentoo, which predates Ubuntu and is often considered the most advanced Linux distro. SteamOS meanwhile is based on Debian (which Ubuntu is based on).
I think Chrome in fact is open-source, but it isn't free (as in freedom) open source. Firefox is the same way. In other words, you're permitted to access and modify the source code but you're not allowed to redistribute it. Meanwhile, Chromium (and Iceweasel) do permit this. From what I recall, the lack of freedom is due to trademarks. Both of these programs are pretty much identical in usage but they have minor tweaks in the interest of things such as user privacy.
If ChromeOS is based on Gentoo now, that's a deviation from it's original development path. CloudReady, a ChromiumOS distro, actually contains portions of Ubuntu code. ChromiumOS is the Open-Source code that ChromeOS is built on.
Yes, technically, anything that's "Ubuntu based" is Debian based. Ubuntu does license some of their "proprietary code" for use by 3rd parties though.
The Chrome browser is not "open source". Chromium is. Chromium is the base, open-source code, used for the Chrome browser. The Chrome browser is Chromium + "proprietary code"....
Anything carrying the "Chromium" name is Open-Source. The "Chrome" name implies "proprietary code" is used and thus, closed-source.
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#5427954 Posted on: 05/04/2017 02:14 PM
Google should release Chrome in the Microsoft store, then you get Chrome apps too lol.
Google should release Chrome in the Microsoft store, then you get Chrome apps too lol.
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This it's going to be windows rt all over again...