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Martin Ashton leaves Intel and joins AMD Radeon team
It's a bit of a freak-fest of transitions for both Intel and AMD with people moving. Several folks from AMD's Radeon Technologies Group moved towards Intel. This round, however, it's reversed, Martin Ashton previously at Intel and Imagination Technologies now moves towards AMD where he has taken the position of corporate vice president for all Radeon Technologies.
Ashton is to join up with David Wang, though it is unknown what he'll actually work on, reports Hexus today. Previously Wang took over the technical duties from Raja Koduri who left for Intel. Wang has been building a new team for roughly half a year now. Mike Rayfield also works for the RTG team as previously reported, previously he was part of Micron but also was active for Nvidia, specifically on the Tegra-soc.
The statement they received from AMD goes like so: "We are very happy to bring Martin and his talent to AMD for our graphics roadmap and our business." Furthermore, reflecting on Ashton's new role at AMD, we were told that "David Wang is building a great team from both within AMD with key promotions and with key external additions like Martin".
Left Martin Ashton - Right David Wang
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#5563578 Posted on: 07/09/2018 07:57 PM
Does Martin Ashton drive an Aston Martin? :p
Anyway, pretty weird to see both companies trading employees like this. Though, no offense to him but I think Raja was more valuable to AMD than Martin was to Intel.
How do you know? What do you base that on?
Does Martin Ashton drive an Aston Martin? :p
Anyway, pretty weird to see both companies trading employees like this. Though, no offense to him but I think Raja was more valuable to AMD than Martin was to Intel.
How do you know? What do you base that on?
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#5563582 Posted on: 07/09/2018 08:14 PM
Well for one thing, Raja was VP at RTG, he was the graphics director at Apple, and is now the chief architect for visual computing at Intel. He held both of the former positions for multiple years. Martin confuses me a little - I can't tell if he was VP of all of Intel, or VP of just visual computing. If it's the latter, that's not all that impressive, considering Intel's GPUs were never a selling point. PowerVR (the other big company he worked for), meanwhile, has never really been especially successful. Though, I think PowerVR's success was at its peak when he was still working there.
Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with him or that AMD got themselves a bad employee. I'm just saying that he's not quite as prolific as Raja, and to my understanding, it is his shoes that are being filled in at AMD.
How do you know? What do you base that on?
Well for one thing, Raja was VP at RTG, he was the graphics director at Apple, and is now the chief architect for visual computing at Intel. He held both of the former positions for multiple years. Martin confuses me a little - I can't tell if he was VP of all of Intel, or VP of just visual computing. If it's the latter, that's not all that impressive, considering Intel's GPUs were never a selling point. PowerVR (the other big company he worked for), meanwhile, has never really been especially successful. Though, I think PowerVR's success was at its peak when he was still working there.
Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with him or that AMD got themselves a bad employee. I'm just saying that he's not quite as prolific as Raja, and to my understanding, it is his shoes that are being filled in at AMD.
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#5563609 Posted on: 07/09/2018 10:21 PM
I don't think Raja covered himself in glory while he was VP of the RTG. Under his tenure as VP the RTG failed to deliver Vega on time and then it fell short of everyone's expectations.
Well for one thing, Raja was VP at RTG, he was the graphics director at Apple, and is now the chief architect for visual computing at Intel. He held both of the former positions for multiple years.
I don't think Raja covered himself in glory while he was VP of the RTG. Under his tenure as VP the RTG failed to deliver Vega on time and then it fell short of everyone's expectations.
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#5563614 Posted on: 07/09/2018 10:39 PM
I can see why you'd say that, but that wasn't his fault. I heard how his team was split up to give priority to Sony and their PS5 graphics. Vega failed because he couldn't use his own resources.
I don't think Raja covered himself in glory while he was VP of the RTG. Under his tenure as VP the RTG failed to deliver Vega on time and then it fell short of everyone's expectations.
I can see why you'd say that, but that wasn't his fault. I heard how his team was split up to give priority to Sony and their PS5 graphics. Vega failed because he couldn't use his own resources.
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#5563635 Posted on: 07/10/2018 01:11 AM
Raja failed to deliver period. If you cannot deliver with the resources given to you, you out source or attain the needed resources. There are road maps followed and the critical time line junctions are highlighted. If a critical junction passes and nothing was done in time to alleviate the issue, it is on the managing director. If one fails to plan, they plan to fail. Why was Keller brought back into the fold for the cpu division? The necessary resources are acquired if they do not exist already internally. Like was stated, Raja failed. Why he was kicked to the curb. Execs at that level are not fired. They are told to resign or they will be fired.
Raja failed to deliver period. If you cannot deliver with the resources given to you, you out source or attain the needed resources. There are road maps followed and the critical time line junctions are highlighted. If a critical junction passes and nothing was done in time to alleviate the issue, it is on the managing director. If one fails to plan, they plan to fail. Why was Keller brought back into the fold for the cpu division? The necessary resources are acquired if they do not exist already internally. Like was stated, Raja failed. Why he was kicked to the curb. Execs at that level are not fired. They are told to resign or they will be fired.
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#5563636 Posted on: 07/10/2018 01:15 AM
I think you misunderstood what I said... he had resources, but they were taken from him... So, what you're saying is kind of the equivalent of "I don't understand how you're poor, just have money!"
Raja failed to deliver period. If you cannot deliver with the resources given to you, you out source or attain the needed resources.
I think you misunderstood what I said... he had resources, but they were taken from him... So, what you're saying is kind of the equivalent of "I don't understand how you're poor, just have money!"
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#5563640 Posted on: 07/10/2018 02:06 AM
Do not be silly. Companies are not like you and me. Like I stated in my post, The necessary resources are acquired if they do not exist already internally. Companies do not tank their projects. The directing managers do. One cannot always be successful at whatever they do. That outing, he failed bad enough to get kicked to the curb.
Do not be silly. Companies are not like you and me. Like I stated in my post, The necessary resources are acquired if they do not exist already internally. Companies do not tank their projects. The directing managers do. One cannot always be successful at whatever they do. That outing, he failed bad enough to get kicked to the curb.
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#5563642 Posted on: 07/10/2018 02:31 AM
Except that's not how it worked. Frankly, your speculation doesn't matter, because there's already evidence of what actually happened. Read the first paragraph:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-amd-next-gen-graphics-tech-built-for-ps5-report
Again, Raja had the resources, but the Sony/PS5 team at AMD didn't, so, they acquired more resources: from him. You can't just magically buy more when your company is already in serious debt. Even if they were willing to put themselves in further debt, I can't imagine it'd be easy to convince engineers to work for AMD for unimpressive pay, and, when AMD's reputation has the potential to tarnish the engineers' too. Anyway, AMD probably prioritized Sony because they were an immediate source of income. Remember, Vega was still in development before Ryzen was released.
The situation isn't so black and white. I know we want someone to point fingers at for how disappointing the GPU market has been the past 2 years, but I really don't believe he is the one to point at.
Do not be silly. Companies are not like you and me. Like I stated in my post, The necessary resources are acquired if they do not exist already internally. Companies do not tank their projects. The directing managers do. One cannot always be successful at whatever they do. That outing, he failed bad enough to get kicked to the curb.
Except that's not how it worked. Frankly, your speculation doesn't matter, because there's already evidence of what actually happened. Read the first paragraph:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-amd-next-gen-graphics-tech-built-for-ps5-report
Again, Raja had the resources, but the Sony/PS5 team at AMD didn't, so, they acquired more resources: from him. You can't just magically buy more when your company is already in serious debt. Even if they were willing to put themselves in further debt, I can't imagine it'd be easy to convince engineers to work for AMD for unimpressive pay, and, when AMD's reputation has the potential to tarnish the engineers' too. Anyway, AMD probably prioritized Sony because they were an immediate source of income. Remember, Vega was still in development before Ryzen was released.
The situation isn't so black and white. I know we want someone to point fingers at for how disappointing the GPU market has been the past 2 years, but I really don't believe he is the one to point at.
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#5563648 Posted on: 07/10/2018 03:45 AM
If you believe everything you read, this discussion is pointless. Companies do not sabotage their bread and butter. That report was put out there to make excuses for his failure without directly pointing a finger at him. That is counter productive morale wise. My point is not hey I point the finger at this person. Creating a counter productive culture in the work place by back stabbing employees or airing the company's laundry in public would do just that. When the head of a division fails to such an extent they are kicked to the curb and excuses made so investors do not unload is what that linked story is about. It's too picture perfect to swallow. Remember, he went on sabbatical and then decided to leave and months later that story paints a story that it was not his fault. Buy it in its totality. This tangent is far off the op. My part in this is done.
If you believe everything you read, this discussion is pointless. Companies do not sabotage their bread and butter. That report was put out there to make excuses for his failure without directly pointing a finger at him. That is counter productive morale wise. My point is not hey I point the finger at this person. Creating a counter productive culture in the work place by back stabbing employees or airing the company's laundry in public would do just that. When the head of a division fails to such an extent they are kicked to the curb and excuses made so investors do not unload is what that linked story is about. It's too picture perfect to swallow. Remember, he went on sabbatical and then decided to leave and months later that story paints a story that it was not his fault. Buy it in its totality. This tangent is far off the op. My part in this is done.
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#5563650 Posted on: 07/10/2018 03:55 AM
No... what's pointless is to make speculations based on nothing but personal opinion. Say what you want about the sources, but it's better than nothing. As far as I'm aware, nobody else from AMD has disputed them. Besides, why couldn't I just take your advice and use it against everything you're saying?
Except they didn't sabotage their bread and butter... they didn't have the money to do both, so, they catered to what gave them the bread first, and held off on the butter.
Whether or not you believe the article, the point still remains: AMD didn't have the money to make Vega better. The specifics as to how that happened largely don't matter, but whether you believe Raja's team was cut down or not, he clearly didn't get the funding he wanted to make it work.
If you believe everything you read, this discussion is pointless.
No... what's pointless is to make speculations based on nothing but personal opinion. Say what you want about the sources, but it's better than nothing. As far as I'm aware, nobody else from AMD has disputed them. Besides, why couldn't I just take your advice and use it against everything you're saying?
Companies do not sabotage their bread and butter.
Except they didn't sabotage their bread and butter... they didn't have the money to do both, so, they catered to what gave them the bread first, and held off on the butter.
Whether or not you believe the article, the point still remains: AMD didn't have the money to make Vega better. The specifics as to how that happened largely don't matter, but whether you believe Raja's team was cut down or not, he clearly didn't get the funding he wanted to make it work.
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#5563651 Posted on: 07/10/2018 05:18 AM
Personally, I think they are trading losers with losers.
Raja failed at Vega and Martin failed at graphics for Intel.
Although, all they can do now is tell each others company some "trade secrets" about what the future will hold.
Personally, I think they are trading losers with losers.
Raja failed at Vega and Martin failed at graphics for Intel.
Although, all they can do now is tell each others company some "trade secrets" about what the future will hold.
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#5563655 Posted on: 07/10/2018 06:14 AM
thank you so much for adding the names under the pictures, I wouldnt ever tell which one is Ashton and which one is Wang :p
thank you so much for adding the names under the pictures, I wouldnt ever tell which one is Ashton and which one is Wang :p
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#5563664 Posted on: 07/10/2018 08:03 AM
Vega Failed because it delivered one single improvement since Polaris. That's Packed Math/FP16.
That 10% improvement... I call it BS, you do not need to add 30% more transistors to get 10% higher clock. They for sure eat energy and spit heat, therefore it is very costly change in terms of power efficiency.
All other improvements which were still there on launch day seem to go under and away. Polaris delivered good things. People can see them in benchmarks.
And with recent Polaris 30 rumors, seems like Vega is not worth it in consumer market. And AMD may want to get some representation with Polaris 30.
I can see why you'd say that, but that wasn't his fault. I heard how his team was split up to give priority to Sony and their PS5 graphics. Vega failed because he couldn't use his own resources.
Vega Failed because it delivered one single improvement since Polaris. That's Packed Math/FP16.
That 10% improvement... I call it BS, you do not need to add 30% more transistors to get 10% higher clock. They for sure eat energy and spit heat, therefore it is very costly change in terms of power efficiency.
All other improvements which were still there on launch day seem to go under and away. Polaris delivered good things. People can see them in benchmarks.
And with recent Polaris 30 rumors, seems like Vega is not worth it in consumer market. And AMD may want to get some representation with Polaris 30.
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#5563750 Posted on: 07/10/2018 02:30 PM
Vega Failed because it delivered one single improvement since Polaris. That's Packed Math/FP16.
That 10% improvement... I call it BS, you do not need to add 30% more transistors to get 10% higher clock. They for sure eat energy and spit heat, therefore it is very costly change in terms of power efficiency.
All other improvements which were still there on launch day seem to go under and away. Polaris delivered good things. People can see them in benchmarks.
And with recent Polaris 30 rumors, seems like Vega is not worth it in consumer market. And AMD may want to get some representation with Polaris 30.
For me Vega has lower clock per clock performance than Polaris, Vega is just a bit over Fiji and sometimes under
https://www.bitsandchips.it/9-hardware/7334-tonga-vs-polaris-sfida-clock-to-clock?start=2
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/amd-radeon-polaris-architektur-performance/2/
https://www.Disney.net/guides/2977-vega-fe-vs-fury-x-at-same-clocks-ipc (interesting, post changes gamers-nexus link to disney lol)
all an deception
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Vega Failed because it delivered one single improvement since Polaris. That's Packed Math/FP16.
That 10% improvement... I call it BS, you do not need to add 30% more transistors to get 10% higher clock. They for sure eat energy and spit heat, therefore it is very costly change in terms of power efficiency.
All other improvements which were still there on launch day seem to go under and away. Polaris delivered good things. People can see them in benchmarks.
And with recent Polaris 30 rumors, seems like Vega is not worth it in consumer market. And AMD may want to get some representation with Polaris 30.
For me Vega has lower clock per clock performance than Polaris, Vega is just a bit over Fiji and sometimes under
https://www.bitsandchips.it/9-hardware/7334-tonga-vs-polaris-sfida-clock-to-clock?start=2
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/amd-radeon-polaris-architektur-performance/2/
https://www.Disney.net/guides/2977-vega-fe-vs-fury-x-at-same-clocks-ipc (interesting, post changes gamers-nexus link to disney lol)
all an deception
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Does Martin Ashton drive an Aston Martin? :p
Anyway, pretty weird to see both companies trading employees like this. Though, no offense to him but I think Raja was more valuable to AMD than Martin was to Intel.