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Joled wants to develop OLED gaming monitors
Manufacturer Joled entered into a partnership with an e-sports team in an effort to develop OLED monitors that are optimized for e-sports. The manufacturer is currently producing a 21.6 "-4k panel with an RGB printing technique.
JOLED Inc. (headquartered in Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo; Representative Director & President: Tadashi Ishibashi), which develops, manufactures, and sells organic light-emitting diode (OLED) displays, has concluded a partnership agreement with the professional esports team Burning Core. By joining with Burning Core, JOLED aims to contribute to the progress of esports through pursuit of visual expression to communicate the worldview of esports in even more enriching ways.
Esports, which stands for “electronic sports,” refers to sports competitions using computer games and video games. The size of the esports market in 2018 is said to have grown to USD900 million, with a fan base of 380 million people. *1 As esports attracts increasing attention in Japan as well, the Japan League of “League of Legends”, said to be the most famous game in the esports market, was established in 2016. Burning Core, a professional gaming team competing in Summer Split 2018 of the “League of Legends Japan League (LJL)”, shows great promise for the future.
JOLED has long considered esports to be an application that promises to demonstrate the advantages of OLED displays; a self-illuminating devices that deliver superb picture quality with high contrast, high color reproducibility, and a fast response rate. Using its proprietary RGB printing technology, JOLED manufactures medium-sized OLED displays that had been considered a difficult challenge to produce using conventional vapor deposition techniques. It ships these units for use in high-end monitors and other products. Through this partnership, JOLED will work together with Burning Core to develop OLED displays optimal for esports use, through activities including having team members test monitors and exchange of opinions on visual expression that draws out the appeal of the games.
Representative Director Yamamoto of Burning Core Co., Ltd. says of this agreement, “Burning Core’s vision is to grow “League of Legends” and esports in Japan, and we are looking forward to working on development of OLED displays that will have the potential to draw out the appeal of the game even more.”
JOLED Senior Corporate Officer & Chief Technology Officer Hiroyoshi Takezawa says, “We are greatly honored to have the opportunity to join with Burning Core in helping to advance esports through OLED development.”
JOLED will continue striving toward becoming the leading company in the OLED display field to realize its mission of developing the most advanced devices to achieve a world full of excitement and emotion.
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#5575443 Posted on: 08/20/2018 01:38 PM
Optimized for esports? How about gaming OLED monitors that are not "optimized" for esports first? It's not like we got the gaming part of OLED monitors nailed down right now, and need to start optimizing them for esports.
Optimized for esports? How about gaming OLED monitors that are not "optimized" for esports first? It's not like we got the gaming part of OLED monitors nailed down right now, and need to start optimizing them for esports.
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#5575445 Posted on: 08/20/2018 01:43 PM
I don't want to question LOL esports by itself, but is that kind of game really setting any bars in terms of you'll have to manufacture panels / monitors for "LOL-kind" esports?
I don't want to question LOL esports by itself, but is that kind of game really setting any bars in terms of you'll have to manufacture panels / monitors for "LOL-kind" esports?
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#5575446 Posted on: 08/20/2018 01:48 PM
Why amounce this now with no products? Are they needing some financing or something? What they are trying to do should be possible but it isn't easy they will have to make damn good panels, have a good image processor, and good logic on the software side. If LG / Sony / Samsung / Dell haven't pulled this off I have serious reservations for JOLED doing it.
MiniLED is coming very soon which should get the backlight upgraded on the LCD panels to have very near OLED contrast ratios. I just don't see OLED catching on for computers regardless of gaming or not.
Why amounce this now with no products? Are they needing some financing or something? What they are trying to do should be possible but it isn't easy they will have to make damn good panels, have a good image processor, and good logic on the software side. If LG / Sony / Samsung / Dell haven't pulled this off I have serious reservations for JOLED doing it.
MiniLED is coming very soon which should get the backlight upgraded on the LCD panels to have very near OLED contrast ratios. I just don't see OLED catching on for computers regardless of gaming or not.
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#5575478 Posted on: 08/20/2018 03:27 PM
Why amounce this now with no products? Are they needing some financing or something? What they are trying to do should be possible but it isn't easy they will have to make damn good panels, have a good image processor, and good logic on the software side. If LG / Sony / Samsung / Dell haven't pulled this off I have serious reservations for JOLED doing it.
MiniLED is coming very soon which should get the backlight upgraded on the LCD panels to have very near OLED contrast ratios. I just don't see OLED catching on for computers regardless of gaming or not.
That sounds exciting, but LCD tech has light bleed issues. If you just shine a super bright light behind the panel to highlight a flame or something, the surrounding areas will wash out and lose detail. Per pixel luminosity control is the only way to get this done properly. How many mini LEDs are needed to properly light up a night sky with lots of stars? Exactly 3440x1440. That's how many
Why amounce this now with no products? Are they needing some financing or something? What they are trying to do should be possible but it isn't easy they will have to make damn good panels, have a good image processor, and good logic on the software side. If LG / Sony / Samsung / Dell haven't pulled this off I have serious reservations for JOLED doing it.
MiniLED is coming very soon which should get the backlight upgraded on the LCD panels to have very near OLED contrast ratios. I just don't see OLED catching on for computers regardless of gaming or not.
That sounds exciting, but LCD tech has light bleed issues. If you just shine a super bright light behind the panel to highlight a flame or something, the surrounding areas will wash out and lose detail. Per pixel luminosity control is the only way to get this done properly. How many mini LEDs are needed to properly light up a night sky with lots of stars? Exactly 3440x1440. That's how many
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#5575481 Posted on: 08/20/2018 03:31 PM
That would be micro-LED then. One LED for each pixel. No idea when that's coming
That sounds exciting, but LCD tech has light bleed issues. If you just shine a super bright light behind the panel to highlight a flame or something, the surrounding areas will wash out and lose detail. Per pixel luminosity control is the only way to get this done properly. How many mini LEDs are needed to properly light up a night sky with lots of stars? Exactly 3440x1440. That's how many
That would be micro-LED then. One LED for each pixel. No idea when that's coming
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#5575486 Posted on: 08/20/2018 03:38 PM
The tech is already functional, but the yields are abysmally poor.
That is probably because LED's have very thin wires in them to carry current on top of the die, and when you scale it down, the wire becomes so incredibly thin it's easy for it to fail.
Only TSV (through silicon via) LED chips can solve this, and we already know how difficult and expensive that is with HBM. Oh, and those memory chips don't heat up to >100 degrees Celsius like a full brightness LED.
It's complicated !
That would be micro-LED then. One LED for each pixel. No idea when that's coming :p
The tech is already functional, but the yields are abysmally poor.
That is probably because LED's have very thin wires in them to carry current on top of the die, and when you scale it down, the wire becomes so incredibly thin it's easy for it to fail.
Only TSV (through silicon via) LED chips can solve this, and we already know how difficult and expensive that is with HBM. Oh, and those memory chips don't heat up to >100 degrees Celsius like a full brightness LED.
It's complicated !
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#5575493 Posted on: 08/20/2018 03:59 PM
Why amounce this now with no products? Are they needing some financing or something? What they are trying to do should be possible but it isn't easy they will have to make damn good panels, have a good image processor, and good logic on the software side. If LG / Sony / Samsung / Dell haven't pulled this off I have serious reservations for JOLED doing it.
MiniLED is coming very soon which should get the backlight upgraded on the LCD panels to have very near OLED contrast ratios. I just don't see OLED catching on for computers regardless of gaming or not.
they are using Additive Manufacturing (3d printing) unlike everyone else.
and this announcement is fluff that will fit inside their prospectus for investors...which is what this is all about.
and btw... i use my LG 55" oled for gaming all the time. the one thing it's "missing" is adaptive sync.
and of course, with the current crop of oleds you have to watch for burn-in. but since i started in computers on monochrome screens, no big deal.
Why amounce this now with no products? Are they needing some financing or something? What they are trying to do should be possible but it isn't easy they will have to make damn good panels, have a good image processor, and good logic on the software side. If LG / Sony / Samsung / Dell haven't pulled this off I have serious reservations for JOLED doing it.
MiniLED is coming very soon which should get the backlight upgraded on the LCD panels to have very near OLED contrast ratios. I just don't see OLED catching on for computers regardless of gaming or not.
they are using Additive Manufacturing (3d printing) unlike everyone else.
and this announcement is fluff that will fit inside their prospectus for investors...which is what this is all about.
and btw... i use my LG 55" oled for gaming all the time. the one thing it's "missing" is adaptive sync.
and of course, with the current crop of oleds you have to watch for burn-in. but since i started in computers on monochrome screens, no big deal.
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#5575507 Posted on: 08/20/2018 04:24 PM
@Moonbogg
not so much when you introduce a "mask" in font of the leds.
not perfect, but works, and allows the use of leds with higher brightness (than oled).
@Moonbogg
not so much when you introduce a "mask" in font of the leds.
not perfect, but works, and allows the use of leds with higher brightness (than oled).
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#5575511 Posted on: 08/20/2018 04:34 PM
Burn in on all OLED phones that cost a grand is a sign that OLED still isn't ready for long term use.
I doubt we will ever get affordable panels with high refresh that use OLED.
Cool, but they need to prove to me 100% that the burn-in/IR problem is resolved for at least a 5 year period. Pretty amusing that they chose the team named "Burning Core" to pair with too.
Burn in on all OLED phones that cost a grand is a sign that OLED still isn't ready for long term use.
I doubt we will ever get affordable panels with high refresh that use OLED.
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#5575583 Posted on: 08/20/2018 06:32 PM
2021 or 2022, that's when new manufacturing tech will influence prices of OLED, by reducing manufacturing time by more than half. Until that time, small improvements will lower prices incrementally.
2021 or 2022, that's when new manufacturing tech will influence prices of OLED, by reducing manufacturing time by more than half. Until that time, small improvements will lower prices incrementally.
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#5575599 Posted on: 08/20/2018 06:42 PM
price is irrelevant for most that care about image retention, which is still an issue...
would you want a 100$ oled when you start seeing burn in of any text (in games) that would stay on screen if used for merly hours? doubt it.
price is irrelevant for most that care about image retention, which is still an issue...
would you want a 100$ oled when you start seeing burn in of any text (in games) that would stay on screen if used for merly hours? doubt it.
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#5575626 Posted on: 08/20/2018 06:55 PM
price is irrelevant for most that care about image retention, which is still an issue...
would you want a 100$ oled when you start seeing burn in of any text (in games) that would stay on screen if used for merly hours? doubt it.
This seemed to have been solved for displays where rolling scan is acceptable (CRT-like scanout, with the flicker to go with it.) This makes it completely incompatible with VRR though (g-sync/freesync) and you get more and more flicker once you drop below 100Hz.
Dell produced such a monitor a while back (now discontinued.) It cost about $4000 though. But it did have CRT-like motion clarity. It certainly blew LCD strobing (ULMB and such) out of the water.
I was hoping for rolling scan OLED tech to get further developed, but it seems it was abandoned.
price is irrelevant for most that care about image retention, which is still an issue...
would you want a 100$ oled when you start seeing burn in of any text (in games) that would stay on screen if used for merly hours? doubt it.
This seemed to have been solved for displays where rolling scan is acceptable (CRT-like scanout, with the flicker to go with it.) This makes it completely incompatible with VRR though (g-sync/freesync) and you get more and more flicker once you drop below 100Hz.
Dell produced such a monitor a while back (now discontinued.) It cost about $4000 though. But it did have CRT-like motion clarity. It certainly blew LCD strobing (ULMB and such) out of the water.
I was hoping for rolling scan OLED tech to get further developed, but it seems it was abandoned.
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#5575671 Posted on: 08/20/2018 07:18 PM
OLEDs with at least three-year factory warranties on the displays, or no sale--I'll buy something else.
OLEDs with at least three-year factory warranties on the displays, or no sale--I'll buy something else.
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Cool, but they need to prove to me 100% that the burn-in/IR problem is resolved for at least a 5 year period. Pretty amusing that they chose the team named "Burning Core" to pair with too.