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Intel slide of future GPU shows it could use 400 to 500 watts with 4 'stacked' chiplets
Website Digital trends have uncovered a slide originating from intel, that by itself is nothing that special however it holds info on a future Intel GPUs can have a hefty TDP of up to 500 watts.
The graphics processor would be chiplet based, much to what AMD is doing with Threadripper and Ryzen 3000. In fact, four, what is referred to as; tiles make a chiplet. The interesting part is that some TDPs are noted down as well, running to 400 and 500 watts indicative of a datacenter product. The chiplets are different from AMD's technology, as Intel would stack them with their foveros technology, much like an HBM2 stack on a graphics processor. In between the stacks you'd find an embedded multi-die interconnect bridge, in combination with pcie 5.0. Earlier info indicated that a each shader cluster would hold 128 EUs. So that's 512 EUs total.
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#5759270 Posted on: 02/11/2020 11:41 AM
So you get a heater also! nice
So you get a heater also! nice
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#5759281 Posted on: 02/11/2020 12:31 PM
but they can have 2x150W from PCIe cables and 75W from PCIe slot, so 375W in total. And that's the current regulation. They can't have 400W, let alone 500W....On the other side - chiplets! Means a lot more for future Intel CPU design than for fairy tale 500W GPU.
but they can have 2x150W from PCIe cables and 75W from PCIe slot, so 375W in total. And that's the current regulation. They can't have 400W, let alone 500W....On the other side - chiplets! Means a lot more for future Intel CPU design than for fairy tale 500W GPU.
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#5759286 Posted on: 02/11/2020 12:53 PM
You can probably add another PCIe cable, might require a bit more from PSU...
They started to share some info on the inter chip communications last year? The idea probably was doing chip/GPU/FPGA and maybe some memory on a separate die..
But with AMD doing so well with chiplets, maybe the plans can/have changed.
You can probably add another PCIe cable, might require a bit more from PSU...
They started to share some info on the inter chip communications last year? The idea probably was doing chip/GPU/FPGA and maybe some memory on a separate die..
But with AMD doing so well with chiplets, maybe the plans can/have changed.
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#5759288 Posted on: 02/11/2020 01:19 PM
If you look at the table, the 500W monster requires a 48V input. Normal PC PSUs don't even offer that. So, it's clearly meant for some server stuff, where they would have a different kind of power supply and thus can get away from the normal PCIe regulations.
but they can have 2x150W from PCIe cables and 75W from PCIe slot, so 375W in total. And that's the current regulation. They can't have 400W, let alone 500W....On the other side - chiplets! Means a lot more for future Intel CPU design than for fairy tale 500W GPU.
If you look at the table, the 500W monster requires a 48V input. Normal PC PSUs don't even offer that. So, it's clearly meant for some server stuff, where they would have a different kind of power supply and thus can get away from the normal PCIe regulations.
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#5759290 Posted on: 02/11/2020 01:24 PM
Imagine pairing this with an 10900k, thats 500w gpu and 500w cpu. Damn, intel just dont care anymore...
Imagine pairing this with an 10900k, thats 500w gpu and 500w cpu. Damn, intel just dont care anymore...
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#5759308 Posted on: 02/11/2020 02:45 PM
Maybe a External PSU?
but they can have 2x150W from PCIe cables and 75W from PCIe slot, so 375W in total. And that's the current regulation. They can't have 400W, let alone 500W....On the other side - chiplets! Means a lot more for future Intel CPU design than for fairy tale 500W GPU.
Maybe a External PSU?
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#5759313 Posted on: 02/11/2020 03:04 PM
I think vertical stacking is the only practical way to really move forward with more cores (particularly for GPUs) but I question what the impact of that will be for proper cooling.
For GPUs, perhaps this isn't such a big deal, where more cores is generally better than higher frequencies.
I think vertical stacking is the only practical way to really move forward with more cores (particularly for GPUs) but I question what the impact of that will be for proper cooling.
For GPUs, perhaps this isn't such a big deal, where more cores is generally better than higher frequencies.
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#5759317 Posted on: 02/11/2020 03:22 PM
1) Intel won't be able to sell these cpu's in any signatory to the Paris Accords. the power consumption is off the charts, as the heat will be too. AMD will end up dominating the EU, Japan, Korea, etc...
2) cooling - vertically stacked dies will have lower performance from the dies sandwiched inside, with only the outer dies getting proper cooling. and at that power/heat signature that is daunting.
3) Intel will be going about this in a typical Intel fashion - shoving it down your throat as an "improvement", which it is, but with serious caveats.
1) Intel won't be able to sell these cpu's in any signatory to the Paris Accords. the power consumption is off the charts, as the heat will be too. AMD will end up dominating the EU, Japan, Korea, etc...
2) cooling - vertically stacked dies will have lower performance from the dies sandwiched inside, with only the outer dies getting proper cooling. and at that power/heat signature that is daunting.
3) Intel will be going about this in a typical Intel fashion - shoving it down your throat as an "improvement", which it is, but with serious caveats.
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#5759321 Posted on: 02/11/2020 03:33 PM
300/400/500W? No thank you!
Intel driver support? What amazing.. no thank you.
300/400/500W? No thank you!
Intel driver support? What amazing.. no thank you.
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#5759335 Posted on: 02/11/2020 04:22 PM
I don't think the entire chiplet is stacked with forevos - it's only certain parts of the chip like caches, io, etc.
You can't compare the 500w here with say a 300w consumer GPU from Nvidia or AMD. The V100's in the DGX-2H run at 450w - their servers use 12kw of power. No one is sitting here saying Nvidia can't be used in various countries or Nvidia doesn't care about power anymore - so I have no idea why people are making these comments like this.
I don't think the entire chiplet is stacked with forevos - it's only certain parts of the chip like caches, io, etc.
You can't compare the 500w here with say a 300w consumer GPU from Nvidia or AMD. The V100's in the DGX-2H run at 450w - their servers use 12kw of power. No one is sitting here saying Nvidia can't be used in various countries or Nvidia doesn't care about power anymore - so I have no idea why people are making these comments like this.
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#5759346 Posted on: 02/11/2020 05:02 PM
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3) Intel will be going about this in a typical Intel fashion - shoving it down your throat as an "improvement", which it is, but with serious caveats.
Nonsense. This is a product in search of a market so they can't shove it down anyone's throat. Here's a tip in case they try : close your frickin mouth.
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3) Intel will be going about this in a typical Intel fashion - shoving it down your throat as an "improvement", which it is, but with serious caveats.
Nonsense. This is a product in search of a market so they can't shove it down anyone's throat. Here's a tip in case they try : close your frickin mouth.
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#5759347 Posted on: 02/11/2020 05:45 PM
Raja...
Raja never changes....
Raja...
Raja never changes....
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#5759353 Posted on: 02/11/2020 06:23 PM
If this is true this "GPU" is not a desktop part. These are clearly going into high performance computing and the likes. So if they can get a ton of GPU compute into a small form factor they can have a winner even if it is a 500w part. Only time will tell.
If this is true this "GPU" is not a desktop part. These are clearly going into high performance computing and the likes. So if they can get a ton of GPU compute into a small form factor they can have a winner even if it is a 500w part. Only time will tell.
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#5759361 Posted on: 02/11/2020 07:15 PM
Raja...
Raja never changes....
He will demand this to be passively cooled too!
Raja...
Raja never changes....
He will demand this to be passively cooled too!
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There's a lot more red and yellow squares on that table than green ones