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Pro Overclocker Der8auer Feels X299 is a Platform Disaster for Overclocking
As you have been able to notice from my reviews, the X299 platform has massive challenges in overclocking (and other segments as well). Pro-overclocker Der8auer now states that the X299 Platform a “Disaster” for tweaking.
Der8auer voices his take on X299 on his YouTube channel and focuses mostly on the poor state of MOSFETs / VRM versus cooling. Der8auer mentions that the temperatures are running too hot under load. Measuring the front and the back of his AORUS X299 Gaming 3 board, the temperatures read 84.2 and 105.9 degrees Celsius. The heatsinks on the motherboards apparently are not enough to keep the MOSFET temperatures in line He also mentions that his ASUS X299 Prime motherboard shows even worse numbers.
These values are only at 4.6GHz at 1.2V, which is extremely mild for an overclock. He spotted 105.9 degrees. Der8auer mentions these values are reached after 15 minutes of Prime95 with a non-AVX load. If he used a CPU stress program that actually uses AVX, the temperatures will be even higher.
Der8auer states all current motherboards are poorly designed for overclocking. He states Skylake-X CPUs are drawing too much for only a single 8-pin feed. This results in higher temperatures and can even burn some power supply cables. Such temperatures can climb up to 80 or 90C, which is dangerous. That is why according to him, he cannot recommend ANY X299 motherboard with only a single 8-pin PSU connector (mind you that only applies if you plan to overclock).
It does not matter whether it is Gigabyte, ASUS, ASRock, MSI, etc. No matter how good the VRM design claim is, if it only has an 8-pin power connector feeding the CPU, stay away from it, Der8auer states.
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#5447517 Posted on: 06/29/2017 09:13 AM
I saw this earlier on his own YouTube channel. It feels like intel has rushed this out the gates, and leaving bread crumbs of errors and faultss along the way... the board manufacturers rushed out products and some of them just don't run well past anything other than stock, and with temps getting to 100 degrees even with water cooling and a very small over clock these products just seem out of place :/
I still don't get why they're using paste instead of solder on these cpus, it's insane. I feel bad for anyone who isn't as informed who purchase these to find all the surprises waiting for them... amd have really stirred up the pot in a massive way, hopefully thread ripper comes up and doesn't have any of these issues
I saw this earlier on his own YouTube channel. It feels like intel has rushed this out the gates, and leaving bread crumbs of errors and faultss along the way... the board manufacturers rushed out products and some of them just don't run well past anything other than stock, and with temps getting to 100 degrees even with water cooling and a very small over clock these products just seem out of place :/
I still don't get why they're using paste instead of solder on these cpus, it's insane. I feel bad for anyone who isn't as informed who purchase these to find all the surprises waiting for them... amd have really stirred up the pot in a massive way, hopefully thread ripper comes up and doesn't have any of these issues
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#5447521 Posted on: 06/29/2017 09:26 AM
Another Intel-hate story.
Can we maybe consolidate them in a once-in-a-week article?
I don't claim X299 is not without bugs, but I don't have any doubts they will be ironed out pretty soon. I bet - with the release of a big-core-count CPUs, so probbaly by Christmas, it will be all well again.
And Threadripper... apart form a name on a paper, it doesn't exist still.
Another Intel-hate story.
Can we maybe consolidate them in a once-in-a-week article?
I don't claim X299 is not without bugs, but I don't have any doubts they will be ironed out pretty soon. I bet - with the release of a big-core-count CPUs, so probbaly by Christmas, it will be all well again.
And Threadripper... apart form a name on a paper, it doesn't exist still.
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#5447526 Posted on: 06/29/2017 09:34 AM
Is it Intel hate? Its legitimately a problem that shouldnt be happening to an established player in this market.
They havent had any competition for years. Thats probably one of the reasons why theyre having issues now, but it shouldnt have resulted in a platform like X299 and their price hike of the entire Xeon lineup.
http://semiaccurate.com/2017/05/05/intels-new-scalable-xeon-branding-just-price-increase/
Is it Intel hate? Its legitimately a problem that shouldnt be happening to an established player in this market.
They havent had any competition for years. Thats probably one of the reasons why theyre having issues now, but it shouldnt have resulted in a platform like X299 and their price hike of the entire Xeon lineup.
http://semiaccurate.com/2017/05/05/intels-new-scalable-xeon-branding-just-price-increase/
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#5447527 Posted on: 06/29/2017 09:37 AM
Maybe now we need aftermarket rgb cables with increased thickness and technology that prevents overheating.
Just $99 for one 8 pin cable.
Maybe now we need aftermarket rgb cables with increased thickness and technology that prevents overheating.
Just $99 for one 8 pin cable.
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I wasnt planning on buying one of these, and i have been telling people to wait for Ryzen and Threadripper. Looks like thats a good recommendation.
Ive always bought and recommended Intel. Looks like thats changing.
Intel is making some rather large mistakes. Knights Landing didnt work out so well compared to Pascal, the Aurora supercomputer has been delayed and the architecture is apparently being re-evaluated, possibly because the larger Knights Hill based machine wont be able to outperform the Volta based Summit and Sierra machines. Knights Mill is now a separate machine learning chip, meanwhile Volta has >7 TFLOPS DP and 120 TFLOPS from the tensor cores for machine learning. Can Intel keep up?
Now we have Skylake X and Skylake-SP looking bad. Looks like X wont perform like is supposed to and SP is going to be massively expensive compared to Epyc, while offering lower memory bandwidth and still being limited to 46bit PA space while AMD had the foresight to give Epyc 48bit PA.
At the moment, it really looks like Intel is falling behind while AMD and Nvidia are moving ahead in all areas.