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And the die is roughly 151mm2 in size, which is a good amount bigger compared to say the Core i7 7700K. Not at all surprising with two more cores eh?
The photo was just posted at hkepc on FB. Tomorrow reviews of the Core i7 8700K Processors will go live. The new six-core part will get 12 threads and an all-core boost up-to 4.3 GHz. The processor size itself is of course as wide as the "Kaby Lake," but the die simply is longer. Roughly 151 mm² with 126 mm² for "Kaby Lake."
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#5478397 Posted on: 10/04/2017 12:44 PM
Yeah same shape as 8 core threadripper maybe it has 2 cores disabled? :p
Edit:Nope AMD has longer die
It has an iGPU. About 30% of the die size is GPU.
Yeah same shape as 8 core threadripper maybe it has 2 cores disabled? :p
Edit:Nope AMD has longer die
It has an iGPU. About 30% of the die size is GPU.
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#5478412 Posted on: 10/04/2017 01:21 PM
I don't feel it's wasted. It allows Intel to make one processor instead of two. The biggest reason R5's have not shown up in business/enterprise computers is because they require a dGPU which drives up cost of the unit. Remember the bulk of sales comes form business/enterprise not home users or gamers.
Yep i know useless iGPU for desktop CPU-s, they should put 2 more cores at least
I don't feel it's wasted. It allows Intel to make one processor instead of two. The biggest reason R5's have not shown up in business/enterprise computers is because they require a dGPU which drives up cost of the unit. Remember the bulk of sales comes form business/enterprise not home users or gamers.
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#5478434 Posted on: 10/04/2017 01:49 PM
It has an iGPU. About 30% of the die size is GPU.
The CPU might be a beast but that iGPU is crap...as kastriot said: they should put 2 more cores instead.
It has an iGPU. About 30% of the die size is GPU.
The CPU might be a beast but that iGPU is crap...as kastriot said: they should put 2 more cores instead.
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#5478441 Posted on: 10/04/2017 02:12 PM
How is that GPU crap? It can display 4k. It's not intended for high end photo and video editing. It's not intended for gaming. But it damn sure can display a excel spreadsheet, PDFs, word documents and email.
I feel some of you guys have no understanding of the world outside of your own bubble.
The CPU might be a beast but that iGPU is crap...as kastriot said: they should put 2 more cores instead.
How is that GPU crap? It can display 4k. It's not intended for high end photo and video editing. It's not intended for gaming. But it damn sure can display a excel spreadsheet, PDFs, word documents and email.
I feel some of you guys have no understanding of the world outside of your own bubble.
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#5478447 Posted on: 10/04/2017 02:41 PM
How is that GPU crap? It can display 4k. It's not intended for high end photo and video editing. It's not intended for gaming. But it damn sure can display a excel spreadsheet, PDFs, word documents and email.
I feel some of you guys have no understanding of the world outside of your own bubble.
And how many of those office workers need six cores? (for typical office workers, a simple dual core would suffice) A CPU with lots of cores is better suited for heavy computing work, but as a professional computer programmer I would gladly take two more cores over an integrated GPU.
How is that GPU crap? It can display 4k. It's not intended for high end photo and video editing. It's not intended for gaming. But it damn sure can display a excel spreadsheet, PDFs, word documents and email.
I feel some of you guys have no understanding of the world outside of your own bubble.
And how many of those office workers need six cores? (for typical office workers, a simple dual core would suffice) A CPU with lots of cores is better suited for heavy computing work, but as a professional computer programmer I would gladly take two more cores over an integrated GPU.
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#5478449 Posted on: 10/04/2017 02:49 PM
Can be used for *light* gaming, too, transcoding (assuming Quickthingy is still a thing), watching 4K on utub. Useful to have, just not for us "power users"...
Can be used for *light* gaming, too, transcoding (assuming Quickthingy is still a thing), watching 4K on utub. Useful to have, just not for us "power users"...
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#5478455 Posted on: 10/04/2017 02:55 PM
Elaborate Excel spreadsheets, multiple VM's running. My wife works in the mortgage industry and all of their computers are i7's and still run sluggish in some instances.
And how many of those office workers need six cores? (for typical office workers, a simple dual core would suffice) A CPU with lots of cores is better suited for heavy computing work, but as a professional computer programmer I would gladly take two more cores over an integrated GPU.
Elaborate Excel spreadsheets, multiple VM's running. My wife works in the mortgage industry and all of their computers are i7's and still run sluggish in some instances.
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#5478461 Posted on: 10/04/2017 03:31 PM
I use a Core i7 3770 in my work machine and it's sluggish every day. I would kill to have two or more additional cores in my system, which would be possible if it wasn't for the crappy iGPU.
Elaborate Excel spreadsheets, multiple VM's running. My wife works in the mortgage industry and all of their computers are i7's and still run sluggish in some instances.
I use a Core i7 3770 in my work machine and it's sluggish every day. I would kill to have two or more additional cores in my system, which would be possible if it wasn't for the crappy iGPU.
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#5478462 Posted on: 10/04/2017 03:35 PM
The crap iGPU (Yes it is really crap) can not just be switched out with 2 ekstra cores, the IGPU generally does not run full power when the CPU runs full power, so therefore they dont eat up the TDP budget at the same time.
If you put on 2 more cores you will end op with a Core i7-7820X or something like that and get a TDP of 120-140 because of the ekstra cores.
To state that you need a i7 because you have a high load at work is not saying much about the processor speed needed.
The Laptop or small desktop i7 processors are barely faster then a full speed i3 in some cases.
The i7 name is used for CPU´es with 2-10 cores or more
The crap iGPU (Yes it is really crap) can not just be switched out with 2 ekstra cores, the IGPU generally does not run full power when the CPU runs full power, so therefore they dont eat up the TDP budget at the same time.
If you put on 2 more cores you will end op with a Core i7-7820X or something like that and get a TDP of 120-140 because of the ekstra cores.
To state that you need a i7 because you have a high load at work is not saying much about the processor speed needed.
The Laptop or small desktop i7 processors are barely faster then a full speed i3 in some cases.
The i7 name is used for CPU´es with 2-10 cores or more
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#5478464 Posted on: 10/04/2017 03:45 PM
My haswell based i5 in my work terminal is sluggish as well but considering the programs I use I chalk that up to a 5,400RPM HDD.
I use a Core i7 3770 in my work machine and it's sluggish every day. I would kill to have two or more additional cores in my system, which would be possible if it wasn't for the crappy iGPU.
My haswell based i5 in my work terminal is sluggish as well but considering the programs I use I chalk that up to a 5,400RPM HDD.
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#5478466 Posted on: 10/04/2017 03:56 PM
The reason for the iGPU is cost. Most oems won't even look at machines with a dGPU for office use. It increases the tco with initial price, lower reliability and increased power.
The reason for the iGPU is cost. Most oems won't even look at machines with a dGPU for office use. It increases the tco with initial price, lower reliability and increased power.
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#5478467 Posted on: 10/04/2017 04:02 PM
We used to use HDDs in our machines (horrible times) - finally got SSDs late last year. My machine also used to have only 8 GB of RAM (I was at 95% memory usage all the time) until they finally gave me 8 GB more this year. Even though my company is fairly large they are still stingy with hardware, not spending any more than absolutely necessary. Next year we're supposed to transition to the cloud, and I'm betting they'll also allocate the minimum there as well :p
My haswell based i5 in my work terminal is sluggish as well but considering the programs I use I chalk that up to a 5,400RPM HDD.
We used to use HDDs in our machines (horrible times) - finally got SSDs late last year. My machine also used to have only 8 GB of RAM (I was at 95% memory usage all the time) until they finally gave me 8 GB more this year. Even though my company is fairly large they are still stingy with hardware, not spending any more than absolutely necessary. Next year we're supposed to transition to the cloud, and I'm betting they'll also allocate the minimum there as well :p
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#5478475 Posted on: 10/04/2017 04:29 PM
I hate the idea of the cloud in business. We use too much web-based programs that are core to my job that if we have a internet outage or an off-site server failure my job comes to a halt. If ain't working I ain't making any money (pure commission based income).
We used to use HDDs in our machines (horrible times) - finally got SSDs late last year. My machine also used to have only 8 GB of RAM (I was at 95% memory usage all the time) until they finally gave me 8 GB more this year. Even though my company is fairly large they are still stingy with hardware, not spending any more than absolutely necessary. Next year we're supposed to transition to the cloud, and I'm betting they'll also allocate the minimum there as well :p
I hate the idea of the cloud in business. We use too much web-based programs that are core to my job that if we have a internet outage or an off-site server failure my job comes to a halt. If ain't working I ain't making any money (pure commission based income).
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#5478491 Posted on: 10/04/2017 05:30 PM
Most of the computers at our work run an i5 and i would kill for an extra 2 cores, the systems feel sluggish while trying to run our inventory management software on top of running excel, outlook, word and chrome as well.
And how many of those office workers need six cores? (for typical office workers, a simple dual core would suffice) A CPU with lots of cores is better suited for heavy computing work, but as a professional computer programmer I would gladly take two more cores over an integrated GPU.
Most of the computers at our work run an i5 and i would kill for an extra 2 cores, the systems feel sluggish while trying to run our inventory management software on top of running excel, outlook, word and chrome as well.
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4GHz on all cores (out of the box) is a great accomplishment and hopefully the pricing is right.