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AMD Zen to get three perf tiers and sits at the €200 marker
An interesting slide surfaced at the Chiphell forum. As you guys know, AMD ZEN processors developed under code-name Summit Ridge (RS) will be released in Q1 of 2017. The initial wave will see 8-core processors. The new slide shows an internal presentation from AMD, there will be three categories processors with the mainstream SKUs in the €200 /$200 marker.
Much like the competition AMD would be selling Summit Ridge in three segments, low-end, mid-range and high-end much like Intel's Core i3, i5 and i7 series. When you look at the slide it states SR7, SR5 and SR3, matching up with Summit Ridge (RS) and thus a performance segment denominator. We thing that the SR5 series will not have any form of hyper threading and/or perhaps be the 4-core models.
When you look at the left side of the slide you'll notice stuff like RMB1500. This relates to the price, this is renminbi (which may also be used for the yuan) is CNY. The currency is often abbreviated RMB, or indicated by the yuan sign ¥, now 1500 Chinese Yuan is roughly €200,-
The RMB1500 marker on the slide lines up with the SR series so we assume (and this is the speculative part of this news-item) that the mainstream to high-end part SKUs will sit and start in that price range.
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#5359848 Posted on: 11/17/2016 02:28 PM
Doesn't that price put it at roughly the same pricing as Intel?
Doesn't that price put it at roughly the same pricing as Intel?
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#5359852 Posted on: 11/17/2016 02:39 PM
No one can say because the graph is incredibly vague. It says >$200 on the side. The cheapest Intel 8 core part is $1000.
Doesn't that price put it at roughly the same pricing as Intel?
No one can say because the graph is incredibly vague. It says >$200 on the side. The cheapest Intel 8 core part is $1000.
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#5359859 Posted on: 11/17/2016 02:57 PM
Indeed, the arrow seems indicate more a "starting at" 200$ .
No one can say because the graph is incredibly vague. It says >$200 on the side. The cheapest Intel 8 core part is $1000.
Indeed, the arrow seems indicate more a "starting at" 200$ .
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#5359863 Posted on: 11/17/2016 03:01 PM
The question is what kind of part starts at $200. If the minimum is an octocore, then the price sounds more than reasonable. And even if it's a quad with HT, it's already 35% cheaper than an equivalent i7.
Indeed, the arrow seems indicate more a "starting at" 200$ .
The question is what kind of part starts at $200. If the minimum is an octocore, then the price sounds more than reasonable. And even if it's a quad with HT, it's already 35% cheaper than an equivalent i7.
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#5359866 Posted on: 11/17/2016 03:06 PM
I'm pretty sure that they will try to match Intel pricing but try to offer a bit more. I.e. against i7 they have 8c/16t variant, against i5 they have 8c without SMT and against i3 they have 4c/8t variant. Or something similar like that. Since these do not have integrated GPU the size should be comparable to Intel products. Also considering that AMD wants market share for sure and Intel no doubt has large margins I don't see how these would cost more than the Intel alternatives (especially since clock for clock Zen is going to be behind). Something like 300-350€ for the 8c/16t variant seems reasonable.
I'm pretty sure that they will try to match Intel pricing but try to offer a bit more. I.e. against i7 they have 8c/16t variant, against i5 they have 8c without SMT and against i3 they have 4c/8t variant. Or something similar like that. Since these do not have integrated GPU the size should be comparable to Intel products. Also considering that AMD wants market share for sure and Intel no doubt has large margins I don't see how these would cost more than the Intel alternatives (especially since clock for clock Zen is going to be behind). Something like 300-350€ for the 8c/16t variant seems reasonable.
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#5359876 Posted on: 11/17/2016 03:29 PM
The 6700k is 1.75Bn transistors with the GPU, which is larger than the CPU. They can easily offer more in an even smaller package, if there is no GPU integrated. But I can't see them offering a true 8-core for $200. I can see them make i5s irrelevant with a 4/8 part with similar IPC at that price though.
I'm pretty sure that they will try to match Intel pricing but try to offer a bit more. I.e. against i7 they have 8c/16t variant, against i5 they have 8c without SMT and against i3 they have 4c/8t variant. Or something similar like that. Since these do not have integrated GPU the size should be comparable to Intel products. Also considering that AMD wants market share for sure and Intel no doubt has large margins I don't see how these would cost more than the Intel alternatives (especially since clock for clock Zen is going to be behind). Something like 300-350€ for the 8c/16t variant seems reasonable.
The 6700k is 1.75Bn transistors with the GPU, which is larger than the CPU. They can easily offer more in an even smaller package, if there is no GPU integrated. But I can't see them offering a true 8-core for $200. I can see them make i5s irrelevant with a 4/8 part with similar IPC at that price though.
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#5359878 Posted on: 11/17/2016 03:40 PM
Yep, that's why they can offer more at the same price. I can see quad core Zen being closer to 200 €. The'll likely pit their 8-core with SMT against i7 and offer similar pricing.
The 6700k is 1.75Bn transistors with the GPU, which is larger than the CPU. They can easily offer more in an even smaller package, if there is no GPU integrated. But I can't see them offering a true 8-core for $200. I can see them make i5s irrelevant with a 4/8 part with similar IPC at that price though.
Yep, that's why they can offer more at the same price. I can see quad core Zen being closer to 200 €. The'll likely pit their 8-core with SMT against i7 and offer similar pricing.
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#5359879 Posted on: 11/17/2016 03:42 PM
Assuming the 4C/8T part is comparable to a 4790K or similar, for $200 that'd be killer. The 8C/16T part is more along the lines of the 5960X, although only dual channel RAM instead of quad channel. AMD has the advantage of 2 x 115X number of PCIe lanes, however.
Assuming the 4C/8T part is comparable to a 4790K or similar, for $200 that'd be killer. The 8C/16T part is more along the lines of the 5960X, although only dual channel RAM instead of quad channel. AMD has the advantage of 2 x 115X number of PCIe lanes, however.
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#5359884 Posted on: 11/17/2016 04:16 PM
There goes that greed we talked about! $200 for a 4/8 thread zen fine ok but how much for 8/16 Zen? They cannot expect to sell at same price point intel sold 5960x at $1000 dollars- I am almost sure nobody will buy it! I guess we have to wait and see, the most I would pay is $300 usd for ANY amd cpu I dont care if it has 1,000 cores! lol
There goes that greed we talked about! $200 for a 4/8 thread zen fine ok but how much for 8/16 Zen? They cannot expect to sell at same price point intel sold 5960x at $1000 dollars- I am almost sure nobody will buy it! I guess we have to wait and see, the most I would pay is $300 usd for ANY amd cpu I dont care if it has 1,000 cores! lol
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#5359904 Posted on: 11/17/2016 05:26 PM
go read online...the 8 core will be 300$ and the overclockable 8 core will cost more as they are binned..
the 200-300$ range is for the quad cores and the equavalent i3's
go read online...the 8 core will be 300$ and the overclockable 8 core will cost more as they are binned..
the 200-300$ range is for the quad cores and the equavalent i3's
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#5359906 Posted on: 11/17/2016 05:28 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if an 8c/16t product sat around the $400 range. Intel is still gouging for such CPUs last I knew.
I wouldn't be surprised if an 8c/16t product sat around the $400 range. Intel is still gouging for such CPUs last I knew.
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#5359908 Posted on: 11/17/2016 05:35 PM
go read online...the 8 core will be 300$ and the overclockable 8 core will cost more as they are binned..
the 200-300$ range is for the quad cores and the equavalent i3's
That's your problem buddy... AMD should sell it as expensive as possible for profitability. Obviously it won't be 1000$ if it performs nearly identically as it only has dual channel ram. AMD is not a charity organization and need to return to profitability which ever way that is possible for maximum results. If it performs identically but on a less expensive motherboard, 800$USD would be a perfect price for such a product.
go read online...the 8 core will be 300$ and the overclockable 8 core will cost more as they are binned..
the 200-300$ range is for the quad cores and the equavalent i3's
That's your problem buddy... AMD should sell it as expensive as possible for profitability. Obviously it won't be 1000$ if it performs nearly identically as it only has dual channel ram. AMD is not a charity organization and need to return to profitability which ever way that is possible for maximum results. If it performs identically but on a less expensive motherboard, 800$USD would be a perfect price for such a product.
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#5359910 Posted on: 11/17/2016 05:45 PM
I'm pretty sure that they will try to match Intel pricing but try to offer a bit more. I.e. against i7 they have 8c/16t variant, against i5 they have 8c without SMT and against i3 they have 4c/8t variant. Or something similar like that.
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+1
That would be a killer offering! I hope the hardware gods hear you!
go read online...the 8 core will be 300$ and the overclockable 8 core will cost more as they are binned..
the 200-300$ range is for the quad cores and the equavalent i3's
Any specific links for this to read or even better, AMD confirming this?
I'm pretty sure that they will try to match Intel pricing but try to offer a bit more. I.e. against i7 they have 8c/16t variant, against i5 they have 8c without SMT and against i3 they have 4c/8t variant. Or something similar like that.
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+1
That would be a killer offering! I hope the hardware gods hear you!
go read online...the 8 core will be 300$ and the overclockable 8 core will cost more as they are binned..
the 200-300$ range is for the quad cores and the equavalent i3's
Any specific links for this to read or even better, AMD confirming this?
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#5359911 Posted on: 11/17/2016 05:45 PM
I wish they offered a 6c/12t CPU, or an 8c/8t. Seems like the sweet spot to me. I personally like having enough cores to suit any game's demands, while having a couple extra spares for anything that runs in the background. But, I get the impression most modern games for current-gen consoles likely only use 6 threads since the system handles so much more in the background. That being said, if Zen ends up being good enough I figure the 4c/8t will be the best choice for me.
Let's just hope there will be enough of an upgrade path. It seems they intend to release a socket AM4+. It'd be crappy if there are AM4+ CPUs that won't work in AM4 motherboards.
I wish they offered a 6c/12t CPU, or an 8c/8t. Seems like the sweet spot to me. I personally like having enough cores to suit any game's demands, while having a couple extra spares for anything that runs in the background. But, I get the impression most modern games for current-gen consoles likely only use 6 threads since the system handles so much more in the background. That being said, if Zen ends up being good enough I figure the 4c/8t will be the best choice for me.
Let's just hope there will be enough of an upgrade path. It seems they intend to release a socket AM4+. It'd be crappy if there are AM4+ CPUs that won't work in AM4 motherboards.
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So ~ 350€ for 8core? Seems to good to be true