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AMD Vega 20 and Ryzen 5 Pro Mobile Say Hello
On a newly leaked roadmap slash set of media slides some new info on AMD Vega 20 and Ryzen 5 Pro Mobile have exposed itself. Let's have a peek at them.
Thew news reaches us through the channels of of Informatica Cero, basically three slides reveal a thing or two. Slide one shows a roadmap for desktop processors and APUs in 2017. Bristol Ridge and Raven Ridge we all know about yet Pincacle Ridge, Raven Matisse and Picasso certainly are new entries.
Picasso would be a Raven Ridge architecture refresh. And AMD is AMD, they stick to socket AM4.The desktop part is listed as “Matisse” also hanging in there on socket AM4 followed by a Pinnacle Ridge refresh.
The next slide then mentions a Vega 20 GPU, and that's also pretty much it. Now I have to raise some concerns about this slide, as it doesn't feel like a slide from AMD imho. Regardless, it shows PCIe Gen4, which is intersting to mention. The entry shows at Q3 2018 and likely is the refresh of Vega 10 GPUs yet now moved to the new 12nm LP fabrication process.
This last slide definitely looks to be an original AMD one. Here interesting is the Ryzen 5 PRO mobile entry. It shows a bit of a performance comparison yet lacks numbers though. Looking at it, Ryzen 5 Pro mobile could beat Kabylake i5 in multi-threaded CPU performance. ANd on the GPU side of things, well AMD alwways has been so much better. The indicated power consumption also seems good.
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#5475664 Posted on: 09/26/2017 10:52 AM
I will strongly push for our whole office to move towards Ravenridge based desktops.
I will strongly push for our whole office to move towards Ravenridge based desktops.
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#5475694 Posted on: 09/26/2017 12:47 PM
I was hoping my laptop upgrade would be to Ryzen...guess I'll have to go with Kaby Lake R.
I was hoping my laptop upgrade would be to Ryzen...guess I'll have to go with Kaby Lake R.
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#5475723 Posted on: 09/26/2017 02:06 PM
so pinnacle ridge will be zen+ ?
so pinnacle ridge will be zen+ ?
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#5475740 Posted on: 09/26/2017 02:45 PM
And the reason is?
I was hoping my laptop upgrade would be to Ryzen...guess I'll have to go with Kaby Lake R.
And the reason is?
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#5475817 Posted on: 09/26/2017 05:40 PM
i'm salivating over the prospect of a mobile R7...power consumption and thermals better than Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake...especially if they add the discrete mgpu... that would be the replacement for my Kaby Lake i-7
i'm salivating over the prospect of a mobile R7...power consumption and thermals better than Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake...especially if they add the discrete mgpu... that would be the replacement for my Kaby Lake i-7
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#5475822 Posted on: 09/26/2017 05:48 PM
iaf...
the lower clocks and power consumption of ryzen are naturally suited for mobile.
Threadripper rocked my world - as i didn't expect much really in the hedt arena, but i had always thought ryzen would be a damn good mobile solution. and if Intel and AMD were ever on a 1:1 price, i thought AMD would "win" mobile and Intel would "win" desktop.
downclocking an i-7 7700 ought to be a crime, but Intel needed to do it to get it in my greedy, grubby mitts. playing with 7700k at work just pissed me off LOL
iaf...
the lower clocks and power consumption of ryzen are naturally suited for mobile.
Threadripper rocked my world - as i didn't expect much really in the hedt arena, but i had always thought ryzen would be a damn good mobile solution. and if Intel and AMD were ever on a 1:1 price, i thought AMD would "win" mobile and Intel would "win" desktop.
downclocking an i-7 7700 ought to be a crime, but Intel needed to do it to get it in my greedy, grubby mitts. playing with 7700k at work just pissed me off LOL
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#5475883 Posted on: 09/26/2017 07:06 PM
Yes Pinnacle Ridge should be AMD's 12nm refresh of Zen then in 2019 the 7nm refresh of Zen code named Matisse.
Considering the 12nm LP process will only allow slightly higher frequencies and every so slightly better densities than the current 14nm process I don't hold out much hope that it will make much of an impact but you may see 10% performance gains out of Zen if they can get a smidge of IPC improvements to go with slightly higher clocks. For those who already bought into Ryzen the Zen 2 aka Matisse should be a huge upgrade, it is on the 7nm process that is geared for high frequencies and the density improvements should be very high.
so pinnacle ridge will be zen+ ?
Yes Pinnacle Ridge should be AMD's 12nm refresh of Zen then in 2019 the 7nm refresh of Zen code named Matisse.
Considering the 12nm LP process will only allow slightly higher frequencies and every so slightly better densities than the current 14nm process I don't hold out much hope that it will make much of an impact but you may see 10% performance gains out of Zen if they can get a smidge of IPC improvements to go with slightly higher clocks. For those who already bought into Ryzen the Zen 2 aka Matisse should be a huge upgrade, it is on the 7nm process that is geared for high frequencies and the density improvements should be very high.
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#5475899 Posted on: 09/26/2017 07:36 PM
Vega has low perf/watt so it will be a wash.
A 4/6 quad coffee lake with a pascal chip will be faster and more power efficient.
i'm salivating over the prospect of a mobile R7...power consumption and thermals better than Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake...especially if they add the discrete mgpu... that would be the replacement for my Kaby Lake i-7
Vega has low perf/watt so it will be a wash.
A 4/6 quad coffee lake with a pascal chip will be faster and more power efficient.
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#5475901 Posted on: 09/26/2017 07:38 PM
Ravenridge next year looks really exciting i haven't used an apu since Richland and if it didn"t have the weird tdp walls it would have been a really fun overclocker and a good overclocker at that. I think with the am4 being a more broad socket it'll support much more power and overclocking.
Ravenridge next year looks really exciting i haven't used an apu since Richland and if it didn"t have the weird tdp walls it would have been a really fun overclocker and a good overclocker at that. I think with the am4 being a more broad socket it'll support much more power and overclocking.
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#5475930 Posted on: 09/26/2017 09:30 PM
Vega has low perf/watt so it will be a wash.
A 4/6 quad coffee lake with a pascal chip will be faster and more power efficient.
It would be surprising if AMD managed to beat Intel+Nvidia in max performance, but for ultrabooks and such with nothing but a single chip (CPU+iGPU), it ought to provide a jolly performance/price ratio. Intel is still charging a lot for 4 core mobile chips, let alone 4C/8T, so AMD might find its place in the market. Vega could offer somewhat better perf/watt when it's not pushed to the sad max like in desktop video cards.
But yeah, if you wallet is bottomless, I doubt AMD will be the prime choice any time soon.
Vega has low perf/watt so it will be a wash.
A 4/6 quad coffee lake with a pascal chip will be faster and more power efficient.
It would be surprising if AMD managed to beat Intel+Nvidia in max performance, but for ultrabooks and such with nothing but a single chip (CPU+iGPU), it ought to provide a jolly performance/price ratio. Intel is still charging a lot for 4 core mobile chips, let alone 4C/8T, so AMD might find its place in the market. Vega could offer somewhat better perf/watt when it's not pushed to the sad max like in desktop video cards.
But yeah, if you wallet is bottomless, I doubt AMD will be the prime choice any time soon.
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#5475982 Posted on: 09/27/2017 12:49 AM
Vega has low perf/watt so it will be a wash.
A 4/6 quad coffee lake with a pascal chip will be faster and more power efficient.
its a mobile part, its not gonna be running at 1700mhz, probably around 800-1100mhz, at those speeds vega's efficency is fine, with ryzen being much more efficent than a intel chip in the sub 3ghz range, it will easily make up the difference not to mention the on die voltage regulators on ryzen mobile will improve efficency further compared to a discrete gpu. i'd estimate a 45-55W ryzen mobile part will sustain r3 1200 + rx 460~ levels of performance.
Hopefully the OEMS don't cripple ryzen mobile like they did to carrizo (ie shipping junk with 1366x768 screens with single channel memory + junk discrete gpus).
Vega has low perf/watt so it will be a wash.
A 4/6 quad coffee lake with a pascal chip will be faster and more power efficient.
its a mobile part, its not gonna be running at 1700mhz, probably around 800-1100mhz, at those speeds vega's efficency is fine, with ryzen being much more efficent than a intel chip in the sub 3ghz range, it will easily make up the difference not to mention the on die voltage regulators on ryzen mobile will improve efficency further compared to a discrete gpu. i'd estimate a 45-55W ryzen mobile part will sustain r3 1200 + rx 460~ levels of performance.
Hopefully the OEMS don't cripple ryzen mobile like they did to carrizo (ie shipping junk with 1366x768 screens with single channel memory + junk discrete gpus).
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#5475984 Posted on: 09/27/2017 12:58 AM
what i was talking about was high performance laptops typically using i-7 (like mine).
i did mention discrete mgpu so "gaming" (or rendering) class.
i spent for performance, including nvidia mgpu. *any* mobile r-7 class ryzen will blow the roof over the similar, but core limited Intel cpu *downclocked* for mobile (like i-7 7700). they are still power pigs. all i-7 laptops have short battery life and need major engineering for silent cooling (or not so silent).
an 8 core, 8 thread ryzen moble can modestly dial back power consumption and still out perform (especially rendering and transcoding) an Intel 4 core, 4 thread downclocked by 50%.
we're not talking about the regular desktop chips, same architecture, downclocked, lower thermal throttle for mobile. the base chip like an r7 1700 has around 35% less draw than the i-7, with better thermals. this ain't rocket science.
what i was talking about was high performance laptops typically using i-7 (like mine).
i did mention discrete mgpu so "gaming" (or rendering) class.
i spent for performance, including nvidia mgpu. *any* mobile r-7 class ryzen will blow the roof over the similar, but core limited Intel cpu *downclocked* for mobile (like i-7 7700). they are still power pigs. all i-7 laptops have short battery life and need major engineering for silent cooling (or not so silent).
an 8 core, 8 thread ryzen moble can modestly dial back power consumption and still out perform (especially rendering and transcoding) an Intel 4 core, 4 thread downclocked by 50%.
we're not talking about the regular desktop chips, same architecture, downclocked, lower thermal throttle for mobile. the base chip like an r7 1700 has around 35% less draw than the i-7, with better thermals. this ain't rocket science.
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#5476009 Posted on: 09/27/2017 03:41 AM
Yes Pinnacle Ridge should be AMD's 12nm refresh of Zen then in 2019 the 7nm refresh of Zen code named Matisse.
Considering the 12nm LP process will only allow slightly higher frequencies and every so slightly better densities than the current 14nm process I don't hold out much hope that it will make much of an impact but you may see 10% performance gains out of Zen if they can get a smidge of IPC improvements to go with slightly higher clocks. For those who already bought into Ryzen the Zen 2 aka Matisse should be a huge upgrade, it is on the 7nm process that is geared for high frequencies and the density improvements should be very high.
thanks for the response
Yes Pinnacle Ridge should be AMD's 12nm refresh of Zen then in 2019 the 7nm refresh of Zen code named Matisse.
Considering the 12nm LP process will only allow slightly higher frequencies and every so slightly better densities than the current 14nm process I don't hold out much hope that it will make much of an impact but you may see 10% performance gains out of Zen if they can get a smidge of IPC improvements to go with slightly higher clocks. For those who already bought into Ryzen the Zen 2 aka Matisse should be a huge upgrade, it is on the 7nm process that is geared for high frequencies and the density improvements should be very high.
thanks for the response
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Wasn't Raven Ridge supposed to be the desktop APU?
EDIT: Ah, didn't read the slide properly, disregard