AMD To Handle Boost Clock Frequency Differentials with Firmware Update

#5707449 Posted on: 09/03/2019 04:21 PM

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Well... wait again to see what's going on with the next update.

#5707452 Posted on: 09/03/2019 04:27 PM

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From the Guru3D article:

"Does this affect your performance?

No, all measurements to date are valid, if there is something going on, then the perf is the same as previously. If a chip is slower, then it also was that during any testing. It works vice versa, results could only become faster. Ryzen 3000 is a complicated processor. AMD already has explained in-depth that there are many variables in play that determine the Turbo single thread bin. The right thread also needs to be prioritized towards the fastest / best core, as not all cores are equal."

And check the 3600-3600X performance difference, which is literally zero. And there is a 200 MHz boost clock difference.

Anyway, if GTX 970 owners didn't care about the 3,5 GB only full-bandwidth memory, people will neither care about this.

#5707460 Posted on: 09/03/2019 04:49 PM

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But they will cry because they are not getting the ghz needed like everyone is just looking at the pc screen to just see what it gets, if its not that its the Vcore problem thats well is fixed but people dont care to seem to look hard to put just a tad bit of work in, I own the 1700 and talking about growing pains with ram,i skipped 2nd gen and went to 3rd for the 3600 noticed i was idle at 1.444 and would not move, i waited and tinker with settings, till i found out that all i needed to do was enable AMD Cool n Quite and vcore drops at idle,

#5707463 Posted on: 09/03/2019 04:50 PM

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AMD is sweating..... trying to avoid that lawsuit.

#5707465 Posted on: 09/03/2019 04:52 PM

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From the Guru3D article:

"Does this affect your performance?

No, all measurements to date are valid, if there is something going on, then the perf is the same as previously. If a chip is slower, then it also was that during any testing. It works vice versa, results could only become faster. Ryzen 3000 is a complicated processor. AMD already has explained in-depth that there are many variables in play that determine the Turbo single thread bin. The right thread also needs to be prioritized towards the fastest / best core, as not all cores are equal."

And check the 3600-3600X performance difference, which is literally zero. And there is a 200 MHz boost clock difference.

Anyway, if GTX 970 owners didn't care about the 3,5 GB only full-bandwidth memory, people will neither care about this.

What? 970 had a class action lawsuit against it because people were so outraged.. lol

But they will cry because they are not getting the ghz needed like everyone is just looking at the pc screen to just see what it gets, if its not that its the Vcore problem thats well is fixed but people dont care to seem to look hard to put just a tad bit of work in, I own the 1700 and talking about growing pains with ram,i skipped 2nd gen and went to 3rd for the 3600 noticed i was idle at 1.444 and would not move, i waited and tinker with settings, till i found out that all i needed to do was enable AMD Cool n Quite and vcore drops at idle,

Or people just want to keep companies honest so we don't get Mobile SoC scenarios where they have boost states for review applications and remove throttling on review revision phones.

#5707466 Posted on: 09/03/2019 04:52 PM

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Or just fixing an error, it happens with new products.

#5707470 Posted on: 09/03/2019 04:57 PM

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Well if the other thread is an indicator, AMD fans didn't seem to much care or think anything was a big deal.

#5707476 Posted on: 09/03/2019 05:02 PM

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Well, it's good that AMD is listening to their community. Zen 2 is an important product and they need to do the right thing.


Eh? There were a number of AMD fans who wanted to hold AMD to account over this (me, Denial, etc.).

#5707477 Posted on: 09/03/2019 05:02 PM

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It's not about being a fan or not. There have been many products that have had issues at launch that were fixed by an update. Pixel owners will tell you the fun they had with their devices pre update woes.

#5707479 Posted on: 09/03/2019 05:05 PM

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At least AMD intends fix it quickly. Hopefully the BIOS fix really does resolve the boost issues. Mistakes happen but it's what the company does to deal with them that is the real test.

#5707481 Posted on: 09/03/2019 05:10 PM

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What? 970 had a class action lawsuit against it because people were so outraged.. lol



Or people just want to keep companies honest so we don't get Mobile SoC scenarios where they have boost states for review applications and remove throttling on review revision phones.
There was lawsuit because nVidia originally stated 64 ROPs while cards had only 56.
Analogy would be if AMD cut off one additional core from one chiplet making 15C/30T CPU while selling it as 16C/32T.

Reduced bandwidth while problem in case VRAM utilization went close to 4GB, is not something anyone should have been stressed about as much... since nVidia had strong compression even back then and actual bandwidth does not reach theoretical one for GPUs.

#5707483 Posted on: 09/03/2019 05:15 PM

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Isn't that kind of a bummer that this is the standard though nowadays? It's like everything is early access. Ship it and fix it later.

Their last fix helped introduce the clock speed issue. Will this fix be the one to get the processors to where they should have been on launch day, or will it be months from now? At a certain point you begin to wonder if the company that built the chip knows how it works. You can list a ton of companies that have similar launch issues, but it's kind of crappy that it's expected nowadays.

#5707484 Posted on: 09/03/2019 05:17 PM

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There was lawsuit because nVidia originally stated 64 ROPs while cards had only 56.
Analogy would be if AMD cut off one additional core from one chiplet making 15C/30T CPU while selling it as 16C/32T.

Reduced bandwidth while problem in case VRAM utilization went close to 4GB, is not something anyone should have been stressed about as much... since nVidia had strong compression even back then and actual bandwidth does not reach theoretical one for GPUs.
The lawsuit was for the memory issue on top of the ROP count being second.
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/show-temp.pl-2.pdf

Isn't that kind of a bummer that this is the standard though nowadays? It's like everything is early access. Ship it and fix it later.

Their last fix helped introduce the clock speed issue. Will this fix be the one to get the processors to where they should have been on launch day, or will it be months from now? At a certain point you begin to wonder if the company that built the chip knows how it works. You can list a ton of companies that have similar launch issues, but it's kind of crappy that it's expected nowadays.
I agree, but honestly it boils down to supply and demand. People demand product now, so companies more or less are forced to launch a product with potential issues. On top of products today are much more advanced than what they were even 10 years ago, so it's more things that can go wrong.

#5707493 Posted on: 09/03/2019 05:29 PM

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When I said the same thing about Intel and their security issues, AMD fans didn't care how fast they fixed it. Funny how that works....

#5707494 Posted on: 09/03/2019 05:29 PM

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Typical fanboy stuff..... Intel or AMD..... Everybody talking about this like this is some big deal. I don't know why nobody wont talk about memory on mobile phones. My phone has 5684MB RAM (CPU Z, HTC 12+), and it says on GSM arena, on box, everywhere, that it has 6GB???? Every mobile phone i had have, didn't have memory they (company that produce them) stated it has. So, i never heard that someone talked about this. Neither here, neither on sites that are phones specialized. So, my conclusion is - AMD fanboy doesn't care about this "problem", intel fanboy doesn't care about spectre or meltdown, Nvidia fanboy doesn't care about 3,5GB RAM in 970....