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Total War WARHAMMER DX12: PC graphics performance benchmark review
Posted by: on: 06/02/2016 04:32 PM [
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We take a look at Total War WARHAMMER in our usual tech savvy ways. We'll test the game on the PC platform relative towards graphics card performance with the latest AMD/NVIDIA graphics card drivers. Multiple graphics cards are being tested and benchmarked. We have a look at performance with the newest graphics cards and technologies.
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GeniusPr0
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 04:41 PM
Love you!!! Finally someone does CPU scaling!!
Love you!!! Finally someone does CPU scaling!!
Denial
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 04:45 PM
I was thinking the same thing.
Thanks for doing the CPU scaling. It's interesting that it still has a pretty large effect, even at QHD.
Love you!!! Finally someone does CPU scaling!!
I was thinking the same thing.
Thanks for doing the CPU scaling. It's interesting that it still has a pretty large effect, even at QHD.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 04:54 PM
HH i see a Tahiti card there. Will you add 280X performance later on?
HH i see a Tahiti card there. Will you add 280X performance later on?
Denial
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 04:59 PM
It seems like feature level 11_1 cards don't currently run.
I recall reading somewhere that there was going to be a patch for it.
HH i see a Tahiti card there. Will you add 280X performance later on?
It seems like feature level 11_1 cards don't currently run.
I recall reading somewhere that there was going to be a patch for it.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:12 PM
Thanks for a nice in-depth performance test of this great game.
Thanks for a nice in-depth performance test of this great game.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:13 PM
It seems like feature level 11_1 cards don't currently run.
I recall reading somewhere that there was going to be a patch for it.
That's a shame. Let's hope patch will be here soon.
Can some confirm what Denial said?
It seems like feature level 11_1 cards don't currently run.
I recall reading somewhere that there was going to be a patch for it.
That's a shame. Let's hope patch will be here soon.
Can some confirm what Denial said?
Kaarme
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:13 PM
Nvidia 1080 is certainly showing the others who's the boss.
Nvidia 1080 is certainly showing the others who's the boss.
GeniusPr0
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:16 PM
It will be faster once MLAA isn't forced
Nvidia 1080 is certainly showing the others who's the boss.
It will be faster once MLAA isn't forced
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:22 PM
Relevant info on that was posted on page 5. As well as why AMD has a possible benefit due to MorphoLogical Anti-Aliasing on the very same page.
HH i see a Tahiti card there. Will you add 280X performance later on?
Relevant info on that was posted on page 5. As well as why AMD has a possible benefit due to MorphoLogical Anti-Aliasing on the very same page.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:23 PM
For now, yes. If you take a look how Fury X performs i have a feeling Vega will murder 1080.
Nvidia 1080 is certainly showing the others who's the boss.
For now, yes. If you take a look how Fury X performs i have a feeling Vega will murder 1080.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:27 PM
I would hope Vega murders the 1080. 1080 is GP104. That's like saying that the Fury X should murder the 980.
For now, yes. If you take a look how Fury X performs i have a feeling Vega will murder 1080.
I would hope Vega murders the 1080. 1080 is GP104. That's like saying that the Fury X should murder the 980.
Paulo Narciso
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:44 PM
Is dx12 multigpu working?
Is dx12 multigpu working?
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 05:57 PM
Yup, well explained, thanks.
Relevant info on that was posted on page 5. As well as why AMD has a possible benefit due to MorphoLogical Anti-Aliasing on the very same page.
Yup, well explained, thanks.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:12 PM
Last i heard, which was last week is that MLAA doesn't currently work under DX12.
Last i heard, which was last week is that MLAA doesn't currently work under DX12.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:16 PM
No it's working, you got it mixed up, MSAA is not working.
Last i heard, which was last week is that MLAA doesn't currently work under DX12.
No it's working, you got it mixed up, MSAA is not working.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:18 PM
-pets his 390-
-pets his 390-
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:26 PM
Maybe, also shadow details there is a option above ultra which is extreme, makes shadows look 10x better. Kinda funny really as it's the only option to have extreme.
No it's working, you got it mixed up, MSAA is not working.
Maybe, also shadow details there is a option above ultra which is extreme, makes shadows look 10x better. Kinda funny really as it's the only option to have extreme.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:34 PM
One Vega should compete with GP104, the other with GP102
The difference between 980Ti and Fury X is way smaller than in ashes, so I'm fairly confident overclocked 980/980Ti/TX will outperform their respective competitors
I would hope Vega murders the 1080. 1080 is GP104. That's like saying that the Fury X should murder the 980.
One Vega should compete with GP104, the other with GP102
The difference between 980Ti and Fury X is way smaller than in ashes, so I'm fairly confident overclocked 980/980Ti/TX will outperform their respective competitors
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:35 PM
There's a couple of things in the config file as well but I don't think any of them are fully implemented for this version of the "Total War" engine, I forgot it's actual name.
Depth of Field quality can go above on/off and be set to a "high" setting.
Tessellation can be enabled but if I remember correctly only Shogun 2 used this
on units and the other, later games carried over the setting but it had no effect.
(You're unlikely to be a effective general in the cinema mode camera view or zoomed in on the unit models backsides after all and from up above controlling the battle tessellation won't really be noticeable.)
Alpha-blending / OIT / Order Independent Transparency can be enabled, was used in Rome 2 to kinda kill the framerate unless you used the alternate method which relied on Intel CPU's with a dedicated APU.
There's a setting for blood but yeah as with the last three (I think.) Total War games it's likely to be a separately sold DLC, for ratings reasons or some such nonsense.
(Although even without actual blood and dismemberment some unfortunate unit still gets his day totally ruined. - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=394151276 for Attilla - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=176036992 for Rome 2 )
There is a setting for AA for a value of 1 which should be SMAA instead of 0 (off) and 2 (MLAA) but it seems this game has done away with SMAA support entirely in favor of the (In my opinion inferior.) SMAA method.
(Or was it FXAA and not SMAA? I can't entirely remember and FXAA has been pretty popular still for it's low performance cost.)
Maybe, also shadow details there is a option above ultra which is extreme, makes shadows look 10x better. Kinda funny really as it's the only option to have extreme.
There's a couple of things in the config file as well but I don't think any of them are fully implemented for this version of the "Total War" engine, I forgot it's actual name.
Depth of Field quality can go above on/off and be set to a "high" setting.
Tessellation can be enabled but if I remember correctly only Shogun 2 used this
on units and the other, later games carried over the setting but it had no effect.
(You're unlikely to be a effective general in the cinema mode camera view or zoomed in on the unit models backsides after all and from up above controlling the battle tessellation won't really be noticeable.)
Alpha-blending / OIT / Order Independent Transparency can be enabled, was used in Rome 2 to kinda kill the framerate unless you used the alternate method which relied on Intel CPU's with a dedicated APU.
There's a setting for blood but yeah as with the last three (I think.) Total War games it's likely to be a separately sold DLC, for ratings reasons or some such nonsense.
(Although even without actual blood and dismemberment some unfortunate unit still gets his day totally ruined. - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=394151276 for Attilla - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=176036992 for Rome 2 )
There is a setting for AA for a value of 1 which should be SMAA instead of 0 (off) and 2 (MLAA) but it seems this game has done away with SMAA support entirely in favor of the (In my opinion inferior.) SMAA method.
(Or was it FXAA and not SMAA? I can't entirely remember and FXAA has been pretty popular still for it's low performance cost.)
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:39 PM
The main point took away from the cpu scaling was that ipc is still more important than amount of "cores" once the 8370 was included. Was interesting to see that there is a point of diminishing returns between 1080 and 1440 once the performance floor was surpassed. Does not seem like bulldozer was on the ground floor. Good thing Zen is coming.
The main point took away from the cpu scaling was that ipc is still more important than amount of "cores" once the 8370 was included. Was interesting to see that there is a point of diminishing returns between 1080 and 1440 once the performance floor was surpassed. Does not seem like bulldozer was on the ground floor. Good thing Zen is coming.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:43 PM
Are you saying that amd's high end should not be compared with nvidias? In any case regular Fury smashes 980 in this benchmark also.
I would hope Vega murders the 1080. 1080 is GP104. That's like saying that the Fury X should murder the 980.
Are you saying that amd's high end should not be compared with nvidias? In any case regular Fury smashes 980 in this benchmark also.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:44 PM
I was just about to say that
I own a 780 but that R9 390 has been a cracking card
Also nice to see AMD starting getting the frametimes in DX12 as good and as smooth as they have on DX11 they were struggling a tiny bit on Hilberts other DX12 tests.
I'm really looking forward to Polaris & Vega , AMD seem to support there customers very well , Nvidia has got very poor support in regards to newer game optimizations for their older products.
-pets his 390-
I was just about to say that
I own a 780 but that R9 390 has been a cracking card
Also nice to see AMD starting getting the frametimes in DX12 as good and as smooth as they have on DX11 they were struggling a tiny bit on Hilberts other DX12 tests.
I'm really looking forward to Polaris & Vega , AMD seem to support there customers very well , Nvidia has got very poor support in regards to newer game optimizations for their older products.
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:47 PM
Are you saying that amd's high end should not be compared with nvidias?
No. He isn't. He just got confused.
There are two Vega GPUs, four SKUs.
"big vega" will be go against Titan/Ti
"little vega" will go agaisnt 1080/1070
In any case regular Fury smashes 980 in this benchmark
Fury is faster by more than 20%!
Interesting number that, 20%... 20% is also an average OC on a 980. I wonder how a 980 @ 1500mhz would do in this test
Are you saying that amd's high end should not be compared with nvidias?
No. He isn't. He just got confused.
There are two Vega GPUs, four SKUs.
"big vega" will be go against Titan/Ti
"little vega" will go agaisnt 1080/1070
In any case regular Fury smashes 980 in this benchmark
Fury is faster by more than 20%!
Interesting number that, 20%... 20% is also an average OC on a 980. I wonder how a 980 @ 1500mhz would do in this test
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Posted on: 06/02/2016 06:53 PM
It performs pretty much identical to a lot cheaper 1070. At least that's what I'm seeing. And only just outperforms the cheaper 980ti. Then there's the MLAA thing favoring AMD. Nvidia looks fine in this chart. Can't see any advantage for AMD at all. Nvidia performs the same and is cheaper (both 1070 and 980ti).
Not to mention overclocking, factor that in and it's a clear win for Nvidia.
Lower end cards, AMD seem to have an advantage though.
For now, yes. If you take a look how Fury X performs i have a feeling Vega will murder 1080.
It performs pretty much identical to a lot cheaper 1070. At least that's what I'm seeing. And only just outperforms the cheaper 980ti. Then there's the MLAA thing favoring AMD. Nvidia looks fine in this chart. Can't see any advantage for AMD at all. Nvidia performs the same and is cheaper (both 1070 and 980ti).
Not to mention overclocking, factor that in and it's a clear win for Nvidia.
Lower end cards, AMD seem to have an advantage though.
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look at the fury x go