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Sneak preview: Radeon RX Vega 64 Black Unboxing
Posted by: on: 08/12/2017 05:00 PM [
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Upcoming Monday you are going to see the the first AMD Radeon RX Vega reviews. media have received their cards and today, Saturday, we're allowed to show you some unboxing of the stuff that AMD delivered.
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rm082e
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:02 PM
Exactly what most of us expected.
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Exactly what most of us expected.
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-Tj-
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:03 PM
Ok let's see this mofo
Edit: at least its not so hot.. but overall, well meh.. its ok for its money though, wonder what custom version will oc.
Ok let's see this mofo
Edit: at least its not so hot.. but overall, well meh.. its ok for its money though, wonder what custom version will oc.
bemaniac
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:10 PM
eww. Ryzen though
eww. Ryzen though
omni_gamer
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:19 PM
wow!
I really wanted this card to be something that it's clearly not. Anyway you slice it, it's a failure. 12 months late to the party with sub-par performance. The only reason I would go this route would be A) I'm a miner or B) I don't want to shell out the extra $300 for a gsync monitor. I think all the R&D $$ went to the CPU department this year.
wow!
I really wanted this card to be something that it's clearly not. Anyway you slice it, it's a failure. 12 months late to the party with sub-par performance. The only reason I would go this route would be A) I'm a miner or B) I don't want to shell out the extra $300 for a gsync monitor. I think all the R&D $$ went to the CPU department this year.
moab600
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:25 PM
nVidia won big time, at best 56 and 64 outpace 1070 and match 1080, too late with zero added value.
NVIDIA was clearly so far ahead, that even one year later the GTX 1080 reigns supreme, not talking about 1080TI, nvidia will lower prices of 1070, oced 1070 will offer even better value outside of mining.
But at least AMD tried, that still could mean something.
nVidia won big time, at best 56 and 64 outpace 1070 and match 1080, too late with zero added value.
NVIDIA was clearly so far ahead, that even one year later the GTX 1080 reigns supreme, not talking about 1080TI, nvidia will lower prices of 1070, oced 1070 will offer even better value outside of mining.
But at least AMD tried, that still could mean something.
Weecka
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:27 PM
This is quite disappointing to say the least. I was expecting it to at least be in between 1080 and the ti version (well closer to or on par with ti) but it is basically on par with 1080. Looking at the fact that they are 1 year late, i do hope it is as good for crypto-currency mining as the rumour said. We (consumers) need competition to stop the prices going thru the roof as nvidia at the moment can put their high end gpus for whatever price they want as there is no competitors. I love Ryzen cpus and i think they deserve a praise, something i can't say about vega. Sad...
This is quite disappointing to say the least. I was expecting it to at least be in between 1080 and the ti version (well closer to or on par with ti) but it is basically on par with 1080. Looking at the fact that they are 1 year late, i do hope it is as good for crypto-currency mining as the rumour said. We (consumers) need competition to stop the prices going thru the roof as nvidia at the moment can put their high end gpus for whatever price they want as there is no competitors. I love Ryzen cpus and i think they deserve a praise, something i can't say about vega. Sad...
Denial
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:33 PM
Well if AMD had money like nvidia+intel have i am sure they would do better soo stop whinning it's ok only they need to tweak prices like for example:
Vega 56=300$
Vega64=400$
And then they would sell like cookies.
No they wouldn't because the market is already saturated by Nvidia. They'd sell more but it probably wouldn't offset the margin loss on cards that already have way lower margins then what Nvidia is selling.
Well if AMD had money like nvidia+intel have i am sure they would do better soo stop whinning it's ok only they need to tweak prices like for example:
Vega 56=300$
Vega64=400$
And then they would sell like cookies.
No they wouldn't because the market is already saturated by Nvidia. They'd sell more but it probably wouldn't offset the margin loss on cards that already have way lower margins then what Nvidia is selling.
Ricepudding
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:40 PM
Thought, hey this is better than expected... trades blows with the 1080... wonder what the cost is... oh its £100 more? what! why would anyone spend that much more for the same performance... and a hotter and more power hungry card (almost as much as 1080sli), is HBM2 that expensive for them ?
These cards should be cheaper, Liquid cooled one is going for around 650-700 pounds here, the same price as a 1080ti... Very confusing why they would price them so high... only reason i can see them doing this is because of the cyptocurrency??
Also somehow 499USD = £599
UK always getting screwed with pricing
Thought, hey this is better than expected... trades blows with the 1080... wonder what the cost is... oh its £100 more? what! why would anyone spend that much more for the same performance... and a hotter and more power hungry card (almost as much as 1080sli), is HBM2 that expensive for them ?
These cards should be cheaper, Liquid cooled one is going for around 650-700 pounds here, the same price as a 1080ti... Very confusing why they would price them so high... only reason i can see them doing this is because of the cyptocurrency??
Also somehow 499USD = £599
UK always getting screwed with pricing
Netherwind
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:40 PM
It's striking that AMD fails at power efficiency over and over...will they ever learn?
It's striking that AMD fails at power efficiency over and over...will they ever learn?
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:40 PM
I'm shocked how much of a power difference there is with the 64 vs the 56. Seems to me the 56 is the real winner and the recommendable option; the 64, not so much.
I'm also a bit surprised how well the Fury X has aged.
You and a lot of people had woefully unrealistic expectations for this card. I would argue this performed better than expected. However, better than expected still isn't quite good enough - the power consumption, noise level, delayed release, and price combined make this a tough choice. The Vega 56 is overall a better choice than a GTX 1070.
I'm shocked how much of a power difference there is with the 64 vs the 56. Seems to me the 56 is the real winner and the recommendable option; the 64, not so much.
I'm also a bit surprised how well the Fury X has aged.
I really wanted this card to be something that it's clearly not. Anyway you slice it, it's a failure. 12 months late to the party with sub-par performance. The only reason I would go this route would be A) I'm a miner or B) I don't want to shell out the extra $300 for a gsync monitor. I think all the R&D $$ went to the CPU department this year.
You and a lot of people had woefully unrealistic expectations for this card. I would argue this performed better than expected. However, better than expected still isn't quite good enough - the power consumption, noise level, delayed release, and price combined make this a tough choice. The Vega 56 is overall a better choice than a GTX 1070.
H83
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:43 PM
Nice cards with nice prices and very nice performance but unfortunately they are to late for the party... Nvidia won this round by default...
Also the power consumption is scary to say the least...
Well if AMD had money like nvidia+intel have i am sure they would do better soo stop whinning it's ok only they need to tweak prices like for example:
Vega 56=300$
Vega64=400$
And then they would sell like cookies.
I don´t think that AMD can afford to sell the cards so cheap like you suggest... But if the prices were like that, i would gladly sell my 1070 and buy a custom Vega64!
Nice cards with nice prices and very nice performance but unfortunately they are to late for the party... Nvidia won this round by default...
Also the power consumption is scary to say the least...
Well if AMD had money like nvidia+intel have i am sure they would do better soo stop whinning it's ok only they need to tweak prices like for example:
Vega 56=300$
Vega64=400$
And then they would sell like cookies.
I don´t think that AMD can afford to sell the cards so cheap like you suggest... But if the prices were like that, i would gladly sell my 1070 and buy a custom Vega64!
Prince Valiant
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:47 PM
Another launch where AMD could've done nicely if they got it out much sooner
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I'm quite impressed by the thermals considering the power usage.
Another launch where AMD could've done nicely if they got it out much sooner
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I'm quite impressed by the thermals considering the power usage.
FM57
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:48 PM
Great review HH but not so great for AMD. Well, crap in fact.
My 980ti will last 6 more months then. 200 bucks well spent.
Great review HH but not so great for AMD. Well, crap in fact.
My 980ti will last 6 more months then. 200 bucks well spent.
cryohellinc
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:48 PM
I think we need power bill charts comparison to be included into benches these days - buy a cheaper but more hungry card, or get a more expensive card buy get smaller bills down the road!
Other then that, finally AMD released it.
I think we need power bill charts comparison to be included into benches these days - buy a cheaper but more hungry card, or get a more expensive card buy get smaller bills down the road!
Other then that, finally AMD released it.
WhiteLightning
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:49 PM
Sometimes giving the best you got isn't good enough. Expectations were too high as usual with AMD products.
I think they need to bring in some fresh energy at their GPU department.
Sometimes giving the best you got isn't good enough. Expectations were too high as usual with AMD products.
I think they need to bring in some fresh energy at their GPU department.
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:52 PM
Vega 64 performance is at 1080 level or better for DX12 games but in DX11 performance it's behind and in some games the gap is huge (GTA V).
New AMD GPUs, same DX11 drivers performance problem...again.
That's comparing AMD Vega 64 VS Nvidia 1080 official base models.
When we consider the gazillion factory OCed 1080 models available right now and the ample OC margin 1080 has (more hz range, lower power) i think the AMD 1 year late to the party GPU is a fail.
No Ti this time, the competition was between Vega 64 vs 1080.
Vega 64 performance is at 1080 level or better for DX12 games but in DX11 performance it's behind and in some games the gap is huge (GTA V).
New AMD GPUs, same DX11 drivers performance problem...again.
That's comparing AMD Vega 64 VS Nvidia 1080 official base models.
When we consider the gazillion factory OCed 1080 models available right now and the ample OC margin 1080 has (more hz range, lower power) i think the AMD 1 year late to the party GPU is a fail.
No Ti this time, the competition was between Vega 64 vs 1080.
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:52 PM
Reg Air cooled $600 and water cooled $700 F*** this they jack up the price by $100 buck have look on newegg
Reg Air cooled $600 and water cooled $700 F*** this they jack up the price by $100 buck have look on newegg
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:53 PM
Too difficult considering differences in power prices and currency. But even if you take a worst-case scenario of something like $0.20/KWh, usually it takes several years of frequent extensive (but not 24/7) use until the cheaper and more power-hungry GPU becomes a poor value. For Vega 64, I'm not too sure how true that is, but for the 56 I'm sure you'd replace it by the time it becomes too expensive.
Also if you use electric heat in the winter, you could consider that a variable toward improving a GPU's value.
I think we need power bill charts comparison to be included into benches these days - buy a cheaper but more hungry card, or get a more expensive card buy get smaller bills down the road!
Too difficult considering differences in power prices and currency. But even if you take a worst-case scenario of something like $0.20/KWh, usually it takes several years of frequent extensive (but not 24/7) use until the cheaper and more power-hungry GPU becomes a poor value. For Vega 64, I'm not too sure how true that is, but for the 56 I'm sure you'd replace it by the time it becomes too expensive.
Also if you use electric heat in the winter, you could consider that a variable toward improving a GPU's value.
RmVA
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 03:59 PM
Great review HH but not so great for AMD. Well, crap in fact.
My 980ti will last 6 more months then. 200 bucks well spent.
Jeez, even for the used market... $200 is cheap!!
Great review HH but not so great for AMD. Well, crap in fact.
My 980ti will last 6 more months then. 200 bucks well spent.
Jeez, even for the used market... $200 is cheap!!
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 04:08 PM
Great review HH enjoyed reading
Maybe performance might get another 5%-10% with drivers updates in the future.
Great review HH
enjoyed reading
Maybe performance might get another 5%-10% with drivers updates in the future.
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 04:15 PM
Vega 64 is exactly as everyone expected for months now. No one would buy it for the same price as a 1080 for gaming because of too high power consumption and heat/noise levels. The announced price is lower but not low enough and I'm very afraid that it will go even higher due to mining. It will probably sell well, but only as a great mining card.
Vega 64 is exactly as everyone expected for months now. No one would buy it for the same price as a 1080 for gaming because of too high power consumption and heat/noise levels. The announced price is lower but not low enough and I'm very afraid that it will go even higher due to mining. It will probably sell well, but only as a great mining card.
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 04:19 PM
Overclockers had 1000 in stock, and all were sold within half an hr, the miners just snapped them up.
Overclockers had 1000 in stock, and all were sold within half an hr, the miners just snapped them up.
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 04:19 PM
I was thinking the same thing. A 980Ti is still a great product.
I'm sure it'd be a little more than that, when you consider how much the Furies have improved over time. Take the Linux tests for example - sometimes it performs below a 1070, other times it outperforms the 1080Ti. There is a lot of potential in these GPUs.
The one thing many people seem to ignore about Vega is it's focus on OpenCL. There's a lot of compute performance in these, as shown by Anandtech's article. But, Guru3D is more focused on gamers.
Well, I guess it's good AMD made a profit out of these, despite them not appealing to their target market.
Jeez, even for the used market... $200 is cheap!!
I was thinking the same thing. A 980Ti is still a great product.
Maybe performance might get another 5%-10% with drivers updates in the future.
I'm sure it'd be a little more than that, when you consider how much the Furies have improved over time. Take the Linux tests for example - sometimes it performs below a 1070, other times it outperforms the 1080Ti. There is a lot of potential in these GPUs.
The one thing many people seem to ignore about Vega is it's focus on OpenCL. There's a lot of compute performance in these, as shown by Anandtech's article. But, Guru3D is more focused on gamers.
Overclockers had 1000 in stock, and all were sold within half an hr, the miners just snapped them up.
Well, I guess it's good AMD made a profit out of these, despite them not appealing to their target market.
rm082e
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Posted on: 08/14/2017 04:25 PM
Overclockers had 1000 in stock, and all were sold within half an hr, the miners just snapped them up.
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