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GeForce GTX 970 SLI review
Posted by: on: 09/26/2014 12:44 PM [
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We review Nvidias little money maker, the GeForce GTX 970 but this time in a 2-way SLI. As such we'll be going from fast to faaaaast. In this review we'll run the standard benchmarks, but we will also have a good look at Ultra HD gaming performance as well as a micro stuttering analysis with the help of FCAT. Join us in this review where we'll once again look at everything.
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Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 12:56 PM
Great review as always Hilbert!
Though, 73 fps in Metro LL @ 1440p doesn't excite me, same goes for Crysis 3. I kinda expected more.
Weeeeeelll ... It's nearly double scaling, so that's not bad. Crysis slowly seems to get get more CPU dependent with its age though.
Right, that was 8 articles in 7 days you guys. Beer and pizza time ! Beer-assistant, where is she ?!!
Great review as always Hilbert!
Though, 73 fps in Metro LL @ 1440p doesn't excite me, same goes for Crysis 3. I kinda expected more.
Weeeeeelll ... It's nearly double scaling, so that's not bad. Crysis slowly seems to get get more CPU dependent with its age though.
Right, that was 8 articles in 7 days you guys. Beer and pizza time ! Beer-assistant, where is she ?!!
Corbus
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 01:01 PM
Great review and scaling. At 4k we probably still need to wait 2 more years to play at decent fps and max details .
Great review and scaling. At 4k we probably still need to wait 2 more years to play at decent fps and max details .
Ven0m
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 01:18 PM
Thanks for the review. I hope you'll be able to find out what's with these frame drops. It's also weird to observe better scaling in lower resolutions...
So:
* 4k, 3D Mark and Battlefield = 780 Ti scales better
* The rest = 970 scales better
I think that it might be partially explained by 256bit RAM bus in 970.
Thanks for the review. I hope you'll be able to find out what's with these frame drops. It's also weird to observe better scaling in lower resolutions...
So:
* 4k, 3D Mark and Battlefield = 780 Ti scales better
* The rest = 970 scales better
I think that it might be partially explained by 256bit RAM bus in 970.
(.)(.)
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 01:23 PM
Thanks for the review. I hope you'll be able to find out what's with these frame drops. It's also weird to observe better scaling in lower resolutions...
So:
* 4k, 3D Mark and Battlefield = 780 Ti scales better
* The rest = 970 scales better
I think that it might be partially explained by 256bit RAM bus in 970.
I knew it... wea dat 512bit at.
Thanks for the review. I hope you'll be able to find out what's with these frame drops. It's also weird to observe better scaling in lower resolutions...
So:
* 4k, 3D Mark and Battlefield = 780 Ti scales better
* The rest = 970 scales better
I think that it might be partially explained by 256bit RAM bus in 970.
I knew it... wea dat 512bit at.
Sunnijim
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 01:43 PM
yes to all
Great review. This is definitely what I want!
Question: if a motherboard has 3 PCI-E x16 slots and can run in a x16/x16/x4 configuration, does that imply I can also run it in a x16/x4/x16 configuration?
In other words, I can choose which slots to run sli in, and I don't have to use the top two slots to get full x16 speed...?
yes to all
Great review. This is definitely what I want!
Question: if a motherboard has 3 PCI-E x16 slots and can run in a x16/x16/x4 configuration, does that imply I can also run it in a x16/x4/x16 configuration?
In other words, I can choose which slots to run sli in, and I don't have to use the top two slots to get full x16 speed...?
Cave Waverider
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 01:46 PM
Nice article. I'm very much looking forward to the GTX980 SLi reviews, too.
Nice article. I'm very much looking forward to the GTX980 SLi reviews, too.
CrazY_Milojko
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 01:48 PM
Great review Hilbert, thanks man! 970 in SLI are bargain for 1440+ gamers and when you look at TDP and themperatures... they're nothing more than final nail in the coffin for 780Ti SLI (for some gamers who had plans for buying 780 SLI).
Whole week has passed after official 970/980 launch and still I haven't got a chance to lay my hands on some GTX 970 or GTX 980 for testing, not to mention two of them for SLI, to find just one 970/980 it's science fiction here where I'm atm
Probably 970/980 situation will be better in few weeks from now, but doubt prices at "re-launch" here in Serbia will be match for prices in the rest of the world 
Future here I come, maybe I'll be late a bit... 
BTW, I'm curious about 780Ti prices (new and used) in rest of the civilized world, any drops yet? Here in Serbia prices for 780Ti are frozen in time, they are same like few months ago, juuuuust great
Great review Hilbert, thanks man! 970 in SLI are bargain for 1440+ gamers and when you look at TDP and themperatures... they're nothing more than final nail in the coffin for 780Ti SLI (for some gamers who had plans for buying 780 SLI).
Whole week has passed after official 970/980 launch and still I haven't got a chance to lay my hands on some GTX 970 or GTX 980 for testing, not to mention two of them for SLI, to find just one 970/980 it's science fiction here where I'm atm
Probably 970/980 situation will be better in few weeks from now, but doubt prices at "re-launch" here in Serbia will be match for prices in the rest of the world Future here I come, maybe I'll be late a bit... BTW, I'm curious about 780Ti prices (new and used) in rest of the civilized world, any drops yet? Here in Serbia prices for 780Ti are frozen in time, they are same like few months ago, juuuuust great
(.)(.)
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 01:51 PM
Ahh.... phewww, see the thing is you need a special license to have that much power in such a small space and Netherlands is quite small.., so not to sure if Hilbert has govt clearance yet.
Reason: 980sli power output can be confused with Energon readings, and we saw in that (piss-poor) documentary as to what happens when Decepticons want Energon.
Nice article. I'm very much looking forward to the GTX980 SLi reviews, too.
Ahh.... phewww, see the thing is you need a special license to have that much power in such a small space and Netherlands is quite small.., so not to sure if Hilbert has govt clearance yet.
Reason: 980sli power output can be confused with Energon readings, and we saw in that (piss-poor) documentary as to what happens when Decepticons want Energon.
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 02:28 PM
So the frame drops are a bit concerning to me. Do you think its just immature drivers or could it be deeper?
So the frame drops are a bit concerning to me. Do you think its just immature drivers or could it be deeper?
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 02:37 PM
Great review Hilbert
Great review Hilbert
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 02:58 PM
As expected, it was bound to choke a bit on 4k. And I would like some manufacturer to make 8GB version for certain someones here, so they can enjoy even more choking once utilized.
As expected, it was bound to choke a bit on 4k. And I would like some manufacturer to make 8GB version for certain someones here, so they can enjoy even more choking once utilized.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 03:05 PM
Yes me as well and they would come in here telling us they could use it all with one card with no AA on 1920x1080.
As expected, it was bound to choke a bit on 4k. And I would like some manufacturer to make 8GB version for certain someones here, so they can enjoy even more choking once utilized.
Yes me as well and they would come in here telling us they could use it all with one card with no AA on 1920x1080.
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 03:09 PM
Oh wow, after reading this fine review I had to buy another gtx 970, I just couldn't resist the urge to have the best cards in sli that outperform even the titanz....
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4923135#post4923135
Thanks Hilbert !
Oh and if anybody can help, where can I get that neat lookin sli bridge ? http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-starts-selling-sturdy-sli-bridges-with-led-lighting.html
Iam from europe so any form of help is highly appreciated
Oh wow, after reading this fine review I had to buy another gtx 970, I just couldn't resist the urge to have the best cards in sli that outperform even the titanz....
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4923135#post4923135
Thanks Hilbert !
Oh and if anybody can help, where can I get that neat lookin sli bridge ? http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-starts-selling-sturdy-sli-bridges-with-led-lighting.html
Iam from europe so any form of help is highly appreciated
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 03:21 PM
BTW, I'm curious about 780Ti prices (new and used) in rest of the civilized world, any drops yet? Here in Serbia prices for 780Ti are frozen in time, they are same like few months ago, juuuuust great
I wouldn't be surprised if the prices actually go up, it's often the case for EOL cards; they become rare because there's no more production and anyone who already owns one that wants to go SLI will have to pay the extra!
BTW, I'm curious about 780Ti prices (new and used) in rest of the civilized world, any drops yet? Here in Serbia prices for 780Ti are frozen in time, they are same like few months ago, juuuuust great
I wouldn't be surprised if the prices actually go up, it's often the case for EOL cards; they become rare because there's no more production and anyone who already owns one that wants to go SLI will have to pay the extra!
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 03:28 PM
Is anyone actually selling the reference 970 with the titan cooler on it?
Is anyone actually selling the reference 970 with the titan cooler on it?
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 03:37 PM
So, sandwitching two cards and expecting it to perform well? I bet the cards are not even boosting at all because of temperature thresholds.
Besides, isn't that GTX980 in the pictures? the GTX970 reference has a smaller pcb AFAIK
So, sandwitching two cards and expecting it to perform well? I bet the cards are not even boosting at all because of temperature thresholds.
Besides, isn't that GTX980 in the pictures? the GTX970 reference has a smaller pcb AFAIK
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 03:41 PM
Its not the titan cooler, its just the reference cooler on the reference pcb but no one sells it yet. It is OEM only. All the partners used custom PCB and coolers on the 970. I would like someone to adopt the reference cooler but it costs more because you have to buy it from nvidia vs producing your own cheaply.
Is anyone actually selling the reference 970 with the titan cooler on it?
Its not the titan cooler, its just the reference cooler on the reference pcb but no one sells it yet. It is OEM only. All the partners used custom PCB and coolers on the 970. I would like someone to adopt the reference cooler but it costs more because you have to buy it from nvidia vs producing your own cheaply.
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 03:41 PM
I couldn't find the reference boards clock speeds anywhere in the review. What are they?
Anyhow, I'm so glad I didn't go for reference boards in my case. The MSI cards are just too good to be true. Some comparisons with OCed results (1380/7500) I did earlier. Ran them on a ROG Swift 1440p monitor with G-sync disabled.
Temps idle:
Reference 970SLI - 33
MSI 970SLI - 54 (fans are turned off if card is idle, plus I have the 2D bug)
Temps load:
Reference 970SLI - 83
MSI 970SLI - 73 (fans inaudible at 1400RPM)
Metro Last Light Redux (Very High, 16xAF)
Reference 970SLI - Avg.FPS: 73
MSI 970SLI - Avg.FPS: 108 (I'm running the Redux version, maybe it's better optimized?)
Thief (Very High Preset with SSAA Off)
Reference 970SLI - Avg.FPS: 75
MSI 970SLI - Avg.FPS: 101
Pretty big differences...maybe too big?
I couldn't find the reference boards clock speeds anywhere in the review. What are they?
Anyhow, I'm so glad I didn't go for reference boards in my case. The MSI cards are just too good to be true. Some comparisons with OCed results (1380/7500) I did earlier. Ran them on a ROG Swift 1440p monitor with G-sync disabled.
Temps idle:
Reference 970SLI - 33
MSI 970SLI - 54 (fans are turned off if card is idle, plus I have the 2D bug)
Temps load:
Reference 970SLI - 83
MSI 970SLI - 73 (fans inaudible at 1400RPM)
Metro Last Light Redux (Very High, 16xAF)
Reference 970SLI - Avg.FPS: 73
MSI 970SLI - Avg.FPS: 108 (I'm running the Redux version, maybe it's better optimized?)
Thief (Very High Preset with SSAA Off)
Reference 970SLI - Avg.FPS: 75
MSI 970SLI - Avg.FPS: 101
Pretty big differences...maybe too big?
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 03:52 PM
Reference baseclock is 1050 MHz for the GTX 970. So yeah the MSI cards overall are pretty terrific alright.
Your Metro results, no clue on Redux. We use the standard version with the Metro LL v2.0 benchmark. But my results are on par with other SLI combo's. For Thief I have SSAA enabled at high as well as FXAA and the other IQ settings.
I couldn't find the reference boards clock speeds anywhere in the review. What are they?
Reference baseclock is 1050 MHz for the GTX 970. So yeah the MSI cards overall are pretty terrific alright.
Your Metro results, no clue on Redux. We use the standard version with the Metro LL v2.0 benchmark. But my results are on par with other SLI combo's. For Thief I have SSAA enabled at high as well as FXAA and the other IQ settings.
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 04:57 PM
Reference baseclock is 1050 MHz for the GTX 970. So yeah the MSI cards overall are pretty terrific alright.
Your Metro results, no clue on Redux. We use the standard version with the Metro LL v2.0 benchmark. But my results are on par with other SLI combo's. For Thief I have SSAA enabled at high as well as FXAA and the other IQ settings.
Regarding Thief, I thought it was FXAA only.
Did a run with SSAA - High and got 87.3fps, very interesting.
Thanks for the review by the way!
Reference baseclock is 1050 MHz for the GTX 970. So yeah the MSI cards overall are pretty terrific alright.
Your Metro results, no clue on Redux. We use the standard version with the Metro LL v2.0 benchmark. But my results are on par with other SLI combo's. For Thief I have SSAA enabled at high as well as FXAA and the other IQ settings.
Regarding Thief, I thought it was FXAA only.
Did a run with SSAA - High and got 87.3fps, very interesting.
Thanks for the review by the way!
Hilbert Hagedoorn
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 05:21 PM
Regarding Thief, I thought it was FXAA only.
Did a run with SSAA - High and got 87.3fps, very interesting.
Yes, that sounds about right with your overclock.
Regarding Thief, I thought it was FXAA only.
Did a run with SSAA - High and got 87.3fps, very interesting.
Yes, that sounds about right with your overclock.
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 05:43 PM
BTW, I'm curious about 780Ti prices (new and used) in rest of the civilized world, any drops yet? Here in Serbia prices for 780Ti are frozen in time, they are same like few months ago, juuuuust great
You can get a new 780Ti for $425 in the USA right now
BTW, I'm curious about 780Ti prices (new and used) in rest of the civilized world, any drops yet? Here in Serbia prices for 780Ti are frozen in time, they are same like few months ago, juuuuust great
You can get a new 780Ti for $425 in the USA right now
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 05:54 PM
The review of the ref GTX 970 only showed pictures of the GTX 980.
I saw pictures of GTX 970 with short PCB so I thought the reference PCB would look like
this EVGA GTX 970. Nothing like the GTX 970 cards with the TITAN coolers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487070
The review of the ref GTX 970 only showed pictures of the GTX 980.
I saw pictures of GTX 970 with short PCB so I thought the reference PCB would look like
this EVGA GTX 970. Nothing like the GTX 970 cards with the TITAN coolers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487070
Netherwind
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Posted on: 09/26/2014 05:56 PM
Yes, that sounds about right with your overclock.
Good to hear. Enjoy your beer Hilbert
The review of the ref GTX 970 only showed pictures of the GTX 980.
I saw pictures of GTX 970 with short PCB so I thought the reference PCB would look like
this EVGA GTX 970. Nothing like the GTX 970 cards with the TITAN coolers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487070
It was mentioned earlier that this is a OEM sample. The 970 refs you find in stores have some kind of plastic coolers like the one you linked.
Yes, that sounds about right with your overclock.
Good to hear. Enjoy your beer Hilbert
The review of the ref GTX 970 only showed pictures of the GTX 980.
I saw pictures of GTX 970 with short PCB so I thought the reference PCB would look like
this EVGA GTX 970. Nothing like the GTX 970 cards with the TITAN coolers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487070
It was mentioned earlier that this is a OEM sample. The 970 refs you find in stores have some kind of plastic coolers like the one you linked.
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Great review as always Hilbert!
Though, 73 fps in Metro LL @ 1440p doesn't excite me, same goes for Crysis 3. I kinda expected more.