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Looking for an affordable processor that will cover all your browsing or media center needs including an integrated graphics unit?, hey, AMD might just have the perfect value proc available. The Athlon series is ongoing, and we review the Athlon 220GE and 240GE.
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FrostNixon
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 10:14 AM
At this price those CPUs seem really nice, definitely a better pick than the pentium.
At this price those CPUs seem really nice, definitely a better pick than the pentium.
Vananovion
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 10:50 AM
I am quite impressed at how well the ZEN and Vega archs scale (though Vega only down). Also, while these products aren't something I would buy for myself, it's good to know they are out there and how they perform in case someone asks me to build them a low-budget PC.
I am quite impressed at how well the ZEN and Vega archs scale (though Vega only down). Also, while these products aren't something I would buy for myself, it's good to know they are out there and how they perform in case someone asks me to build them a low-budget PC.
boerenlater
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 12:12 PM
What about oc'ing the igpu?
What about oc'ing the igpu?
Undying
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 01:01 PM
Review focus was on the cpu's. Anyway, its the same vega11 chip thats on 200ge, 1500mhz is the ceiling.
What about oc'ing the igpu?
Review focus was on the cpu's. Anyway, its the same vega11 chip thats on 200ge, 1500mhz is the ceiling.
Astyanax
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 01:34 PM
uh... what year is this?
uh... what year is this?
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 02:03 PM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn , I have a suggestion:
For low-end products like this, of course it's fun to see where you can push them to overclock, but I think it's actually more interesting and useful to know what it takes to make it passively cooled, or perhaps making it fit in the smallest possible chassis you can get.
So, for example, you could have some pretty interesting content regarding performance and stability while undervolting under 100% load (including iGPU), with and without passive cooling. I think some people might even care about seeing how low you can set the power draw, since that could allow people to use something like a PicoPSU.
The only reason why any Guru3D readers would care about getting an Athlon (or a Pentium or Celeron) is for specialized environments. Since these products are highly affordable, I think people might actually have an increased interest in seeing what these products are capable of in ways they don't normally approach.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn , I have a suggestion:
For low-end products like this, of course it's fun to see where you can push them to overclock, but I think it's actually more interesting and useful to know what it takes to make it passively cooled, or perhaps making it fit in the smallest possible chassis you can get.
So, for example, you could have some pretty interesting content regarding performance and stability while undervolting under 100% load (including iGPU), with and without passive cooling. I think some people might even care about seeing how low you can set the power draw, since that could allow people to use something like a PicoPSU.
The only reason why any Guru3D readers would care about getting an Athlon (or a Pentium or Celeron) is for specialized environments. Since these products are highly affordable, I think people might actually have an increased interest in seeing what these products are capable of in ways they don't normally approach.
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 02:19 PM
I didn't think memory increase would help considering the 2 cores are on the same substrate though?
Not sure what you're getting at? Are you saying this because of the performance of the CPU?
I didn't think memory increase would help considering the 2 cores are on the same substrate though?
uh... what year is this?
Not sure what you're getting at? Are you saying this because of the performance of the CPU?
schmidtbag
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 02:32 PM
This CPU was released in 2018, so I think he's implying that this review seems late. But... this CPU is a bit technologically dated, too (and so is the name).
Not sure what you're getting at? Are you saying this because of the performance of the CPU?
This CPU was released in 2018, so I think he's implying that this review seems late. But... this CPU is a bit technologically dated, too (and so is the name).
vbetts
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 02:37 PM
True but with faster memory now at least. Really though, for super budget cpu that's open to be upgraded on a platform can't really expect a lot.
This CPU was released in 2018, so I think he's implying that this review seems late. But... this CPU is a bit technologically dated, too (and so is the name).
True but with faster memory now at least. Really though, for super budget cpu that's open to be upgraded on a platform can't really expect a lot.
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 02:59 PM
To me the market of budget processors should be dead (or close). A while back there was a need for them since there was no substitute for a device to decently play movies, browse internet or do light office gaming stuff. Today there are tablets/phones or even TV that will do it, not to mention powerful enough laptops (budget).
To me the market of budget processors should be dead (or close). A while back there was a need for them since there was no substitute for a device to decently play movies, browse internet or do light office gaming stuff. Today there are tablets/phones or even TV that will do it, not to mention powerful enough laptops (budget).
Astyanax
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 03:06 PM
Not sure what you're getting at? Are you saying this because of the performance of the CPU?
No, i thought this was a review of an old Athlon processor lol, totallly slipped my mind that the Athlon brand had been revived for these 2 parts.
To me the market of budget processors should be dead (or close).
I feel these parts should have been kept off the consumer market and made available only to OEM's selling office pc's. the 2200G is more likely to be the lowest anyone building an aio htpc will want to go.
Not sure what you're getting at? Are you saying this because of the performance of the CPU?
No, i thought this was a review of an old Athlon processor lol, totallly slipped my mind that the Athlon brand had been revived for these 2 parts.
To me the market of budget processors should be dead (or close).
I feel these parts should have been kept off the consumer market and made available only to OEM's selling office pc's. the 2200G is more likely to be the lowest anyone building an aio htpc will want to go.
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 03:24 PM
2019.
Announced Dec 2018, AMD shipped them Q1 2019.
uh... what year is this?
2019.
Announced Dec 2018, AMD shipped them Q1 2019.
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 03:26 PM
igpu cannot be overclock it is hardware locked but with the Ram overclocking capabilities it does perform better the higher the Ram is overclock.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn great review , it is indeed lots of fun to tweak this tiny 2 cores cpus.
What about oc'ing the igpu?
igpu cannot be overclock it is hardware locked but with the Ram overclocking capabilities it does perform better the higher the Ram is overclock.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn great review , it is indeed lots of fun to tweak this tiny 2 cores cpus.
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 03:44 PM
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The Ryzen 2200G cost a fair bit more then the 220G, here in Denmark and the 220G is almost half the TDP.
The 220G would be a perfect replacement for my old passively cooled AM1 2Ghz Quadcore 25W TDP.
I feel these parts should have been kept off the consumer market and made available only to OEM's selling office pc's. the 2200G is more likely to be the lowest anyone building an aio htpc will want to go.
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The Ryzen 2200G cost a fair bit more then the 220G, here in Denmark and the 220G is almost half the TDP.
The 220G would be a perfect replacement for my old passively cooled AM1 2Ghz Quadcore 25W TDP.
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Posted on: 05/03/2019 04:01 PM
Great review !
I would have liked a comparison with intel's offering (I3 and pentium G4560).
A chart with synthetic performance of CPUs (and another one for ther iGPU if they have one), sorted by price would be an awesome addition : that's what i needed 6 months ago when I built a budget home computer for my inlaws
Great review !
I would have liked a comparison with intel's offering (I3 and pentium G4560).
A chart with synthetic performance of CPUs (and another one for ther iGPU if they have one), sorted by price would be an awesome addition : that's what i needed 6 months ago when I built a budget home computer for my inlaws
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Posted on: 05/04/2019 09:03 AM
I've been running a 200GE for a few months. (I already had a spare B350 motherboard and 2666MHz RAM.) Even at 3.2GHz, using the IGP, it had no trouble doing all the usual day-to-day tasks, including full-screen HD video. When the unlock became available with a BIOS update, I easily reached 3.9GHz, using a stock FX-8350 HSF, and never exceeded 1.38V. Temperatures are quite good, too. (About 52°C max under load.) Curiously, that heatsink and fan never seemed remotely as quiet on an AM3+ system as it is now. I've no plans to replace it.
Teamed it up with an idle 16CU RX560 and an ancient Dell 1600x900 monitor, and it was more than enough to get me to an enjoyable Level 24 on yet another playthrough of the very bipolar-performing Fallout 4.
I'm not suggesting this would be a wonderful Assassin's Creed: Odyssey CPU, but, on the other hand, the Athlon set me back just $50 USD; less than the retail price of that game. Since I already had the motherboard and RAM, this was a fun, low-cost, low-risk experiment. While it wouldn't make much sense to build a system from scratch around this processor, there is also the reality that such a system would have a fairly robust upgrade option in terms of available CPUs.
I've been running a 200GE for a few months. (I already had a spare B350 motherboard and 2666MHz RAM.) Even at 3.2GHz, using the IGP, it had no trouble doing all the usual day-to-day tasks, including full-screen HD video. When the unlock became available with a BIOS update, I easily reached 3.9GHz, using a stock FX-8350 HSF, and never exceeded 1.38V. Temperatures are quite good, too. (About 52°C max under load.) Curiously, that heatsink and fan never seemed remotely as quiet on an AM3+ system as it is now. I've no plans to replace it.
Teamed it up with an idle 16CU RX560 and an ancient Dell 1600x900 monitor, and it was more than enough to get me to an enjoyable Level 24 on yet another playthrough of the very bipolar-performing Fallout 4.
I'm not suggesting this would be a wonderful Assassin's Creed: Odyssey CPU, but, on the other hand, the Athlon set me back just $50 USD; less than the retail price of that game. Since I already had the motherboard and RAM, this was a fun, low-cost, low-risk experiment. While it wouldn't make much sense to build a system from scratch around this processor, there is also the reality that such a system would have a fairly robust upgrade option in terms of available CPUs.
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Posted on: 05/04/2019 03:39 PM
@Celcius heh yeah the sky is the limit ! Most likely if you feel like it you can pop up to a r7 3700 in it with any gpu you wish and turn it into a little monster! Although for your use case it seems that the more interesting releases would be a potential 3xxGE or 4xxGE ! If or when those come out!
@Celcius heh yeah the sky is the limit ! Most likely if you feel like it you can pop up to a r7 3700 in it with any gpu you wish and turn it into a little monster! Although for your use case it seems that the more interesting releases would be a potential 3xxGE or 4xxGE ! If or when those come out!
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Posted on: 05/04/2019 07:02 PM
Hilbert, thanks for humbling yourself to test such a "crappy" apu.
It's nice to see the RAM running above 2667 mhz. I wish these had been released when the first R3s were. I'd have bought a 200GE instead of a R3 1200. For $50, it looks like a great apu. My biggest interest would have been to have an early and inexpensive look at AM4 that would do many of things I regularly do. That's the exact reason I bought a 1200.
Thanks AMD for making building a simple computer so inexpensive.
Hilbert, thanks for humbling yourself to test such a "crappy" apu.
It's nice to see the RAM running above 2667 mhz. I wish these had been released when the first R3s were. I'd have bought a 200GE instead of a R3 1200. For $50, it looks like a great apu. My biggest interest would have been to have an early and inexpensive look at AM4 that would do many of things I regularly do. That's the exact reason I bought a 1200.
Thanks AMD for making building a simple computer so inexpensive.
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Posted on: 05/04/2019 08:40 PM
It would have been good if you had reported on the play back quality of Blu ray.
But TY.
It would have been good if you had reported on the play back quality of Blu ray.
But TY.
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Posted on: 05/06/2019 08:11 AM
It is by far (it replace a pentium in my HTPC).
In 2019 AMD always talk faster than factory
It's Zen core + Vega, it is not so dated.
Athlon 940 were dated, they were from AM3 gen adapted to AM4 board.
Not at all, it is so low tdp that you can cool it passively, and it is abble to do nearly everything you can do with HTPC...
Also the 2200G cost the price of 3 200GE, or also is more expensive than my motherboard with the CPU and the passive cooler...
I would say it is THE CPU for HTPC, with passive GPU (for 4K because internal is a bit weak on this (btw the 2200G too) ), passive PSU and a single noctua to cool everything... It's perfect.
At this price those CPUs seem really nice, definitely a better pick than the pentium.
It is by far (it replace a pentium in my HTPC).
This CPU was released in 2018, so I think he's implying that this review seems late. But... this CPU is a bit technologically dated, too (and so is the name).
In 2019 AMD always talk faster than factory
It's Zen core + Vega, it is not so dated.Athlon 940 were dated, they were from AM3 gen adapted to AM4 board.
I feel these parts should have been kept off the consumer market and made available only to OEM's selling office pc's. the 2200G is more likely to be the lowest anyone building an aio htpc will want to go.
Not at all, it is so low tdp that you can cool it passively, and it is abble to do nearly everything you can do with HTPC...
Also the 2200G cost the price of 3 200GE, or also is more expensive than my motherboard with the CPU and the passive cooler...
I would say it is THE CPU for HTPC, with passive GPU (for 4K because internal is a bit weak on this (btw the 2200G too) ), passive PSU and a single noctua to cool everything... It's perfect.
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Posted on: 05/06/2019 09:14 AM
if you want a htpc, you want the grunt to decode content that hasn't been hardware accelerated yet.
These aren't htpc cpu's.
if you want a htpc, you want the grunt to decode content that hasn't been hardware accelerated yet.
These aren't htpc cpu's.
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Posted on: 05/06/2019 02:40 PM
I meant more the fact that it's a 2c/4t CPU, which isn't really something you expect to find in 2019. Besides, some would argue Vega is dated, despite it being released relatively recently.
In 2019 AMD always talk faster than factory It's Zen core + Vega, it is not so dated.
It's Zen core + Vega, it is not so dated.I meant more the fact that it's a 2c/4t CPU, which isn't really something you expect to find in 2019. Besides, some would argue Vega is dated, despite it being released relatively recently.
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Posted on: 05/06/2019 03:53 PM
It is exactely what it does since a month... (in my HTPC definition i have "silence" and "low power" too, and in this point it is excelent).
As always it depend on what to do with core, having a 10 core Xeon in my under TV box would be useless, 2c/4t isn't for gaming or heavy work too, but this one do better than some equivalent in Intel, having that in mind it is a good CPU.
BTW: i agree with Vega, i havent buy it for that, it's just an extra-bonus
if you want a htpc, you want the grunt to decode content that hasn't been hardware accelerated yet.
It is exactely what it does since a month... (in my HTPC definition i have "silence" and "low power" too, and in this point it is excelent).
I meant more the fact that it's a 2c/4t CPU, which isn't really something you expect to find in 2019. Besides, some would argue Vega is dated, despite it being released relatively recently.
As always it depend on what to do with core, having a 10 core Xeon in my under TV box would be useless, 2c/4t isn't for gaming or heavy work too, but this one do better than some equivalent in Intel, having that in mind it is a good CPU.
BTW: i agree with Vega, i havent buy it for that, it's just an extra-bonus
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Posted on: 05/08/2019 02:48 AM
Great review. I didn't expect those great results.
Great review. I didn't expect those great results.
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you can OC it as well on Asrock motherboard
I agree with you with the fact that even a 200GE is enough as once OC you will get the same result than the most expensive one.
It is an ultra cool CPU for HTPC, even OCed it can be cooled passively... for this use it's gold.