TSMC Fab 14: Wrong chemical usage renders thousands of wafers unusable for NVIDIA (and others)
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ManofGod
Hey look guys, the new fire / flood excuse.
Size_Mick
yasamoka
Fox2232
Margalus
It's amazing how many people here are blaming NVidia for something that happened at a completely different company..
Amaze
slyphnier
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20180629PD215.html
"The average selling price (ASP) per square inch of silicon wafers came to US$0.86 in the first quarter of 2018"
https://www.sourcetoday.com/supply-chain/expect-silicon-wafer-tags-rise-through-2019
well ur price sure off, considering a square-inch already cost $0.8
so basically u saying just out of ur imagination ?
dude chill of, u saying things and other asking for the source,
imo its reasonable to provide it so
or else, then its not their fault if they said ur BS-ing
actually $3000 for 10k waffers caught my attention to,
do quick look on google
tensai28
These people are human; prone to mistakes like everyone else. Give them a break, I'm sure they will try to clean up the mess. They are a big and reputable company. I used to live down the road from this company and had neighbors that work there.
Dragondale13
JamesSneed
Denial
They also suspended the production line to run an investigation - so it's going to cost more than just the wafers lost.
Mda400
Fox2232
http://www.icinsights.com/news/bulletins/advanced-technology-key-to-strong-foundry-revenue-per-wafer/
I do not think that things changed much. Current node having large number of FABs costs around that. Leading node can be up to 3 times as costly till it reaches volume production.
@JamesSneed : I think your number of loss per wafer is rather optimistic. One should consider statement: "This will affect production yields". That means they are far enough in production to not cancel over 10,000 wafers.
Which is over 10% of monthly production of that FAB. Secondly, throwing affected wafers and starting with new ones would mean that they lost entire potential revenue as : "No delivered wafers = no payment."
That's interesting reply. 30cm wafer (12 inch) has radius of measly 6 inch. What is surface area there? Is that really just 113 square inches? Therefore whole 12 inch wafer costs mere 113 * $0.8 = $90.4 ?
That would be really lovely, right? 10,000 lost wafers costing mere $900,000? And someone makes news from that? Maybe.
Or did you do another math? Anyway, what is surface area of 2080Ti? What? 1.17 inches square? What does it cost to make if yields are 10%? Whooping $10?
No sorry. You do not go and build $4B plant to produce 50,000 wafers per month there at price of $100 per wafer. because RoI would be over 60 years.
waltc3
jbmcmillan
JamesSneed
@Fox2232 I could be wrong but I assumed the 10K wafers are all the wafers they treated with said corrupted chemicals. If they did get those blank wafers up to lithography then yeah its a factor more cost to them. Of course they have some fixed costs like having production down and having to toss all the bad wafers out. I was just commenting on the $3,000 per wafer it might be more like $300 per wafer which with 10K wafers its like $3M vs $30M on wafer losses alone. From what I have seen 12inch wafers can be had for $200-700 but that is the forged silicon cut into wafers nothing more and its not the medical grade stuff you would use for some very high end SOI chips etc.
Fox2232
Aura89
Fox2232
Aura89
https://virginiasemi.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/how-much-does-a-silicon-wafer-cost/
I apparently misread the post, and didn't even see the ten thousand listed, which is pretty sad, i read it multiple times.
My bad lol
though a 2017 article shows that a 6-inch wafer costs around $125, and a 1-inch costs around $21, so if we assume a 12-inch cost double that of a 6-inch, that'd be a 2.5 million dollar mistake. Surely not a huge dent into TSMCs overall situation though.