I worry this is just a blip, that or we have thousands of users just switch to AMD. Which would be nice, like other said it would be nice for the market to be closer together to support more competition and push technology forward. But the original Ryzen nor did the millions of discounts it went on push it this far, so im rather curious to know why the huge leap. Ryzen+ is great mind you, maybe there is hope for AMD afterall! Now make amazing GPU's again

Aura89:

You guys gotta remember that this steam survey is pretty much BS. They randomly survey people at completely and totally random times.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but to my knowledge, people only get the survey when they first log in. So for those who keep their PC logged in 24/7 and delay restarting Steam, they're less likely to get the survey than someone who signs in every day. As for me, I don't sign in as often as I used to, but I haven't seen the survey in maybe 2 years. Since then, there have been times I got the survey several times in a single year.

There's no way to have accurate information on the steam hardware survey when they are not sending out a survey request to everyone at least once a year. There's no way to know if who they surveyed were ryzen customers who increased the percentage, or they just happened to randomly survey a bunch of AMD systems, not just ryzen.

As BlackZero said, the pool size is large enough where this shouldn't be an issue, though there are definitely caveats. China has a very heavy impact on these results, and so whatever is available/affordable in their market affects the results the most. This also affects operating systems. For example, once PUBG was released, the Mac and Linux marketshares have consistently gone down, because it's a Windows-only game. So, there are definitely times where these surveys may have skewed results.

schmidtbag:

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but to my knowledge, people only get the survey when they first log in.

I don't keep any system logged in 24/7, they also do not get used on a daily bases (well, one of them has, and that's the one that hasn't been surveyed in 3 years). And again, one of them has never, ever been surveyed.

schmidtbag:

As BlackZero said, the pool size is large enough where this shouldn't be an issue,

Because not knowing my computer, my wifes computer, or my wifes cousins computer has ryzen systems in it somehow means accurate information? And if that happens to me, that somehow means that doesn't happen to a ton of other people as well, regardless of what is in their system? The only computer that steam knows what has in it on their system would be my wifes laptop, which has an older i7 dual-core/4-thread laptop CPU, and ironically, that system they already knew about, since it had the survey shortly after we got the laptop, and then again in january. You can't accurately know what your userbase is using if you do not scan everyone, it's literally impossible, and i don't care for this nonsense of "well, the pool is big, so it doesn't matter". Instead, you only get an incorrect, majorly wrong, "estimate", based off the randomness of who gets chosen. Since you or no one else can guarantee that for some reason the steam survey just surveyed a bunch of older AMD systems that it already knew about, all of this information means squat.

Aura89:

I don't keep any system logged in 24/7, they also do not get used on a daily bases (well, one of them has, and that's the one that hasn't been surveyed in 3 years). And again, one of them has never, ever been surveyed.

I had a feeling that was the case, I just wanted to make the clarification, since not everyone knows how the survey works. And for the record, I too am not all that happy about how the survey is done. Valve really needs to just have a checkbox to opt into the survey (where it is un-ticked by default, since people get all whiny about automatic data collection) and everyone who signs in at least once for the month (with an up-to-date version of Steam) gets contributes to the survey.

matador86:

I'm not very surprised that AMD only has 1 CPU in the top 15, but the FX-8350? Really? On topic, Oculus is an interesting source for midrange+ only, low-end stuff is filtered out naturally; also China since Rift is not officially available there. Downside is it's still a niche crowd so it's not representative of wider trends.

Kind of makes sense. 8350 near its end of life was sold at low low prices, almost a bargain sale. Having an 8 core cpu for a cheap price isn't a bad deal, ontop of the AM3 motherboard pricing was starting to go down, DDR3 prices were lowering due to the demand of DDR4, so for people to buy them, use them, or sell them to someone else for budget rigs it made a lot of sense. My girlfriend's PC has a 9370 and aside from being a bitch to cool, 1080p gaming it's not held back really at all.

Look at this. According to the steam survey, what CPUs are the up and coming trend for PCs and getting adopted more then all else currently? Dual-Core Systems https://i.imgur.com/3PP7j1B.jpg

schmidtbag:

And for the record, I too am not all that happy about how the survey is done. Valve really needs to just have a checkbox to opt into the survey (where it is un-ticked by default, since people get all whiny about automatic data collection) and everyone who signs in at least once for the month (with an up-to-date version of Steam) gets contributes to the survey.

Agreed. Interesting information i just read on steams survey site " STEAM HARDWARE SURVEY FIX – 5/2/2018 The latest Steam Hardware Survey incorporates a number of fixes that address over counting of cyber cafe customers that occurred during the prior seven months. Historically, the survey used a client-side method to ensure that systems were counted only once per year, in order to provide an accurate picture of the entire Steam user population. It turns out, however, that many cyber cafes manage their hardware in a way that was causing their customers to be over counted. Around August 2017, we started seeing larger-than-usual movement in certain stats, notably an increase in Windows 7 usage, an increase in quad-core CPU usage, as well as changes in CPU and GPU market share. This period also saw a large increase in the use of Simplified Chinese. All of these coincided with an increase in Steam usage in cyber cafes in Asia, whose customers were being over counted in the survey. It took us some time to root-cause the problem and deploy a fix, but we are confident that, as of April 2018, the Steam Hardware Survey is no longer over counting users." I'm not sure how much i buy what they said how they did it before though. Once per year, when i haven't seen a survey request on my daily computer in over 3 years, since before i moved to my current location? yeah....

It's interesting to see that 3 core cpus somehow made a growth. I understand dual core since cpu's under $100 mostly are still mostly dual core and the struggle is real out there, but the only 3 cores released were from AMD years ago.

vbetts:

It's interesting to see that 3 core cpus somehow made a growth. I understand dual core since cpu's under $100 mostly are still mostly dual core and the struggle is real out there, but the only 3 cores released were from AMD years ago.

The issue i have with this is, it's hard to find pre-built PCs with dual-core CPUs if you also want it to be able to game. And, people upgrading their computer, are almost certainly not getting dual-core CPUs, obviously some might, but so many people have horrible dual-core CPUs currently that they are upgrading to another dual-core? Or, is the idea that so many people have single-core CPUs and are upgrading to dual-cores? Both seem exceptionally unlikely. In fact, if you look at that list, even SINGLE-CORE CPUs are on the rise! lol We gotta remember that steam is a gaming company, therefore, the people buying the low-end dual-core laptops and desktops are likely not the people who are on steam, since they wouldn't even be able to game with that, since it's certainly going to be integrated graphics.

Lol right on time. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/steam-hardware-survey-cpu-gpu,37007.html The survey was pretty much bugged.

Yeah, that's not looking that great for AMD if that "new" survey is correct

A single core CPU is still the least stutterous unit for pure gaming. 😛

I think the steam survey only pops up in a few scenarios. If you reformat/reinstall or if the steam program detects a new hardware ID, so if this is correct anyone popping in new hardware will receive a message to do the survey again. So Ryzen would need new mobo, new ram and of course new cpu. So basically anyone who jumped on to AMD platform and use steam would get the survey.

Why dig up this 4 month old thread? The info Hilbert posted is outdated and not reflective of the current trends. If you look at the numbers today, you'll find: nVidia: 76.35% AMD: 13.91 and on the CPU front: Intel: 84.8% AMD: 15.2% Looks like all those articles about Ryzen dominating the market belonged at CNN, since CNN synonymous with 'fake news'

Reddoguk:

I think the steam survey only pops up in a few scenarios. If you reformat/reinstall or if the steam program detects a new hardware ID, so if this is correct anyone popping in new hardware will receive a message to do the survey again.

Doesn't work like that, as i have upgraded my computer many times in the last 3-4 years and upgraded OS's and reformatted and haven't had a survey in that timeframe.

vbetts:

It's interesting to see that 3 core cpus somehow made a growth. I understand dual core since cpu's under $100 mostly are still mostvly dual core and the struggle is real out there, but the only 3 cores released were from AMD years ago.

Some people still don't get that the percentage of Chinese users is what makes AMD go up and down in the survey.

jamesthomas:

Some people still don't get that the percentage of Chinese users is what makes AMD go up and down in the survey.

They also have a significant impact on OS use.

As I said before, Steam surveys 🙄

Competition is alway the better way, you just need to look at Intel and Nivda right now to see why that has never been truer. ha

schmidtbag:

They also have a significant impact on OS use.

Well this was a bit of a necro, and i thought i'd be interested to see why........i wasn't.... lol

Aura89:

Well this was a bit of a necro, and i thought i'd be interested to see why........i wasn't.... lol

Hmm you're right. Seems the newbie I responded to seems to have paid as little attention to how old this is as I did.