Seagate Sued Lawsuit over High HDD Failure Rates
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---TK---
Lost many a seagate, all the rma seagate failed rather quickly as well. Lost a 4tb external 1 month out of warranty and a certified repaired 2tb barracuda 2 weeks ago. I buy WD these days.
Extraordinary
I think now that SSDs are coming down in price fairly rapidly, I doubt I'll buy another HDD if I need a new drive
RzrTrek
It was only a matter of time.
Fender178
At one job that I had. We used 3TB Seagate drives in NASes and at the beginning they were working great then we bought more and the ones in the 2nd batch were going bad. So at some point we had to replace a drive in a NAS. So we switched to 3tb WD red drives.
I had only 1 Seagate drive die on me and it was an old 250gb IDE drive. I had a 750GB Segate drive that was part of my old C2Q rig and it lasted a good while what killed the drive was one of them hard drive kits that allowed drives to hook up via USB.
In my Current rig I have a 1TB Segate enterprise drive and hopefully that one last good while.
I see this lawsuit being a good thing even though it should have happened a long time ago. I guess better late than never.
NamelesONEMail
I have 2 Seagate drives ( 2TB and 3TB and both work perfectly fine 2-3 years now) and 1 3 TB Toshiba drive that also works well ... the only HDD that has ever failed on me was a 750GB Western Digital Black HDD .. but it was quite ancient ... altough I was quite sad to lose that data ... had a few very old shows on it (like Andromeda) that you can't find anywhere to download anymore and also has like 400+ GB of old anime : ))
fry178
Seagates do tend to die early and more often. have yet to see someone i know, have a seagate drive last longer than a year.
external drive for weekly patient-data backup (less than 10gb) died within 3 weeks. replacement (store exchange) lasted 6 month.
recommended staying away from their drives, but (different) friend decided to go with seagate for server and couple of workstations (dental practise) and he lost the server drive after 2y, and spending 3000$ for data recovery.
i have written +10TB within one year to my Vector ssd, still works perfectly fine (and 90% health left on nand), so...
nevcairiel
They might not openly advertise them as such, but the tech specs speak for themself. The Datasheet of the typical Seagate desktop drives cites a reliability of 2400 Power-On Hours. Thats only 100 days of 24/7 usage, after that they can just tell you it was used outside the specification and thats that.
On top of that they also only give you 55TB/year data transfer..
So in short, I doubt there is any chance they will win anything. But its murica, so just sue to solve your problems =p
MaCk0y
Same. I bought a 7200.11 750GB in 2008 and after 5 months it was not detected by the BIOS anymore. Then I found out about the firmware bug in their forums. I went to the store from where I bought it and they replaced my drive with the same model. I told them that the same thing is going to happen. Anyway, the first thing I did was update the firmware. Still working and it's in a NAS now.
EspHack
he also has an ssd nas filled with Kingston, famous for their .05 .06 revision-firmware fiasco, kind of suspicious these companies surely seem like they want their reputation restored so they sponsor the hell out of him
Neo Cyrus
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. As far as Seagate drives go not one has failed me yet and this one PC alone has:
- 2x 640GB
- 1x 1TB
- 2x 2TB
- 1x 4TB
Why those small drives? Because I've had those since the days those were a huge amount of storage. I use them to store junk so if they die and that data is lost I don't care.
xIcarus
Right? Still own a Spinpoint F3 from when I built the desktop I've been using for over 4.5 years. Simply rock solid.
Although I'm one of the lucky guys who's never had an HDD fail on him. Hope I didn't jinx it now with this statement.
Finchwizard
I've been saying for years how bad Western Digital are, so it's a surprise that they say Seagate have the issue.
As a few know i work in a school, so I see large batches of drives coming through, and nearly every one of them that fails is a WD.
A mate who works with computer also has WD's always die on him.
Maybe they're shipping the good Seagates down to Australia 😉
Denial
Rofl, I was actually going to comment on how you always said the opposite, but I don't know how many of the newer people know you
Where you been man? Apple hate chase you off once and for all? =(
Finchwizard
I still lurk around.
Been a big couple of years, married, new house, dog.
Hard to keep up with work and keep checking Guru.
dwiewolverine
ahaa..always use Hitachi & WD for HDD:)
fry178
Hitachi is now WD.
WD hdds were pretty solid until recent years.
seems its mainly the blue/black drives that have issues, because of the head parking every few seconds, even while the drive is in "use".
i remember reading from a guy that compared blue/red/black and looked at drive info, and the red WD drives, dont experience that problem.
fantaskarsef
That's why I spend the extra € to go with the reds, even if I don't run them in a nas.
slyphnier
afaik the one that head parking every few seconds is GREEN series (its power saving feature)
i personally never have any issue with WD black series, i havent hear many report regarding black series either, except black series with 3tb+ capacity is warmer/hotter depends on your condition, but at 24C room temperature, the drive is like 42C... most drive always stay below 40C... 37~38C at most
for blue, i cant say much, because i not using those series, but afaik i know its 7200rpm version of GREEN series
its mean for "value" (standard) desktop hdd
while green is for HTPC or low power system that dont use intensive write/read
anyway if u think head parking things causing problem, u can simply disable it off ...just google WDidle
slyphnier
if u use for storage its okay, but cant recommend it for system storage
as its 5400rpm drive
some said that WD Red is Green drives with different firmware, firmware that purposed/validated for NAS
which mean if it true, hardware wise it isnt more reliable than green series
might aswell pick WD Red PRO over standard Red
beside 7200rpm, it also equipped multi-axis shock protection (that usually on enterprise drive) and 5year warranty instead 3year
(probably it just relabeled black-series with NAS firmware)
but again nothing make u "bullet proof" in hdd failure, except u make backup
with that in mind, getting cheaper hdd and make backup = safer
and probably thats why big company nowdays opted for consumer drive over enterprise drive, because even they use enterprise drive, they still need to backup, so money-wise consumer drive + backup = value
fantaskarsef
Yes, of course I was only talking about mass storage, system drives are always SSDs for me personally (non-professional environment).
Regarding the firmware, even if it's just a firmware, then it's a firmware that keeps your drive working longer (in theory). Unless one gets the firmware and is able to flash it onto the drive, it's what they let you pay extra for.
As the red pro is more expensive the question is if you need the extra speed. You certainly don't need in a home environment without any real workload, worst being recording a movie and watching one from the disc at the same time (works for me).
Shock protection for me personally makes little use as my rig just rests there, depending on your surroundings and the conditions under which you use your rig / hdd it might very well pay off! Physical shocks are one of the killer things to all the little mechanical stuff in those drives, I always believed. And with warranty, not sure that works here in the EU. Probably for customers, but I wouldn't expect anything more than two years... we already see how US customers get life time warranty whereas we in Europe usually get two years for many things like ram, graphics cards.
