NVIDIA's Upcoming RTX 4070 Graphics Card to Cost $599
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CPC_RedDawn
Nvidia slowly trying to kill PC gaming.
AMD following closely behind.
Intel don't forget about me I want some of the pie too.....
Undying
They are moving away from it and probably just sell x80, x90 class gpus in the future for people who wants to pay for it.
CPC_RedDawn
I remember paying £399 for an ATI HD4870x2 GPU (around $500-550) when it launched in I think 2008.
This was an insanely over engineered dual GPU with 2x full HD4870's on one card. When crossfire worked this card blew past everything at the time.
£400 for a top tier flagship DUAL GPU card. That is £603.73 adjusted for inflation as of FEB 2023. Nowhere near £1600 for a 4090!
EDIT:
For a laugh I converted £1600 from 2008 to now and that comes out at £2,414.93
Then PC gaming will truly die off, how many people really have the money for top tier GPU's like an x80 or x90 class card? How many publishers are going to support the PC platform going forward?
TimmyP
They arent killing it off, they are milking the end.
pegasus1
Same with sales of anything, buying a 718 Caymen with a few options? Might as well buy a Caymen S for 'little' bit more. Before you know it you've sold your children and ordered a GT3RS fully loaded.
Venix
Arguably the gt3rs will help you make more children ! :P
tsunami231
To high imo, shorta give hope for 4060/ti price but consider how castrated thing are getting that might not mean much
Jensen is sniffing his jackets to much, there killing is brain cells
Undying
If amd was smart they should take advantage of this situation and gain some market share or low-midrange pc gamer will be phased out by what is nvidia doing.
mikeysg
Gotta say, nVidia's marketing department did a bang-up job selling RT and DLSS, now, noobs know of only nVidia cards because, "No DLSS, No RT, No buy' mentality.
AuerX
Guess I'm a noob 😎
Undying
And what is amd doing? Still keep fallowing nvidia instead of competing, making some bad jokes and then underdeliver. They need to keep that shit undercontrol, their marketing is garbage.
mikeysg
So true! AMD needs to innovate, and not just emulate....looks like nVidia's marketing is gonna go into full throttle mode with path tracing, they're first again with something new.
Undying
Atleast they intoduced first mcm gpu hopefully they'll improve up on it. Nvidia needs to fallow them there.
pegasus1
Having played through Metro EE at a locked and constant 72fps without RT on my 6900XT and then again with full RT on my 4090, its an overall better experience with RT. Now other games ive no idea.
However if i had used slower cards and had to use fake frame tech the experience 'may' have been different on either or both cards.
If NV are trying to sell 4090 visual and frame rates on cards half the price via DLSS and similar tech, i think they may be bending the truth, but thats not important, its whether or not the masses believe them and commit to expensive mid range cards.
pegasus1
I suspect Intel are the dark horse, it will only take another generation and they may well be battling in the mid range at competitive prices.
Neo Cyrus
That's assuming they will release a mid range competitive product, they might only release some low end stuff, or even only entry level for laptop while the Arc division is kept on life support. From what I've heard there's nothing set in stone yet but they're still funding it up to Druid, at least, at this point. If they're going to pull the plug on Druid's funding, it'd have to be very soon.
Honestly, even with bugs up the wazoo, I'd be willing to switch to Intel if they offered a 4090 beater some day at a non-insane price. XeSS seems slightly superior (on Intel cards with the proper matrix units) to FSR2, and Intel cards have way better (relative) RT ability than AMD as well.
All I want is what all of us want, some semblance of sanity restored to the PC gaming market. Though, I know, I'm guilty giving up and just buying from the evil leather jacket lord. I'll face my punishment when the time comes.
cucaulay malkin
that's cause rtgi andrtao are the most transformative one.
this runs at 60fps with ultra settings (foliage range on ultra+, rtgi+rtao+rt reflections) on 3060Ti using dlss2
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Imgsli
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https://imgsli.com/MTY0MDM5
whenever I use rtgi+rtao in a game that has them, and then drop it back to rasterized for comparison, I always think rasterized GI just needs to die asap.
rt reflections also add a lot, looked amazing in cp2077, especially on cars
https://imgur.com/a/sgAcUN2
most people hating rt usually just parrot others, without seeing a good implementation themselves.
rt shadows are hit/miss, I usually use normal ones if they are not broken in some way. rt shadows add relatively little compared to rtgi or reflections, cause they learned how to make rasterized ones convincing enough. They can also be a little noisy, and so are rt reflections in DOOM eternal - that is why I wrote about good imprementation, not some 1/4 resolution crap.
You're spot on about what you've been recently writing about dlss3. It has to be an addition, not a substitute. They'll be using it as an excuse to cut down the crap out entry level cards though.
RealNC
NVidia will keep this up until every remaining 3000 series GPU has been sold. By that time, the 5000 series will come out, and the same will happen. Ridiculous pricing until all 4000 cards have been sold.
Maybe this is the new state of affairs from now on.
John Eisberg
Europe has very high wages. My cousin works as a dentist and earns 6000 euros a month. Anyone even a bum can afford a RTX 4090
fantaskarsef
Yeah and there's only dentists with university degrees in Europe. 🙄
Honestly, I leave at that comment, since not even in all of Europe, every dentist earns 6k monthly. Having such an impression is the reason why a lot of people in search for a better life come to Europe (or try to) just to find out that's totally wrong.
