What happens in two years when that expensive laptop can no longer play games at an acceptable framerate?

You put in a newer and faster gpu.

What happens in two years when that expensive laptop can no longer play games at an acceptable framerate? The portability argument goes out the window when you start having laptops like this that way upwards of 15-20lbs and you can't play it on the bus/train/plane for more than 20 minutes unless its plugged in.

Playing with the numbers much?

seems to me the same as intel focusing on mobile, from sandy to haswell almost no perf difference, while on mobile chips they are almost reaching desktop counterparts, I think they just want to kill the desktop really, maybe the future is having multi socket motherboards and buy cards in pairs to keep desktop pcs relevant, otherwise all we gonna have in 3-5 years is silent towers

You put in a newer and faster gpu.

since when to laptops allow such things last i check most laptops dont allow the swaping out of gpu

since when to laptops allow such things last i check most laptops dont allow the swaping out of gpu

Most don't, really expensive ones have an MXM slot and can be upgraded (depending on firmware and sometimes relying on BIOS hacks) http://www.eurocom.com/ec/vgas%281%29ec I could upgrade from a 7970m to a 980m, if I wanted to spend £650 or so

rather spend that money on building pc, guess it great for people that need that mobility. but 165 tdp in laptop?? that is just asking for heat issue.

165 W is regular Joe's 980 these top$$ mobile parts might be the "same", but in all likeliness these are highly binned low power parts and if they are going to bin them, might as well charge an arm and a leg this how they roll: +35% performance out of thin air - PUFF, margins through the roof VOILA JOB DONE GJ Nvidia (, reinventing the wheel 😀)

square wheel that does 160mph only then is it reinvted. People buy these over price stuff from nvidia and nvidia thinks wtf people are buying this then nvidia makes next version even more. and people buy that and pattern continues. Like I said great for mobility i guess but if your Mobile device is pulling 165 TDP your device is no longer a mobile device in my book. talking heat and TDP here not in terms of actual mobility. I can only image how hot and how fast the fans would need to be going with that kind of TDP in laptop design.

lower clocks, lower voltage, binned for top margin :P more like 100-120W which has allays been notebook gfx ceiling remember GreenLight. they did not reinvent better casings, and are just as reprehensible toward unofficial overclocking as ever. $1000 of revenue means nothing if it gets RMAd

Full gm204 in a lappy, damn impressive.

lol at some of the comments. Even my gtx680m plays all games, especially with no aa/af. I got mine mid 2013, so I've already had my 2yrs out of this laptop and currently playing Dying Light, Project Cars and CS:GO. For roughly £370 a gtx970m is worth a look especially as it's overclocked performance beats the gtx980m although the gtx980m performance is somewhere between desktop gtx960-970 performance. This new NVidia gtx980 for laptops uses the top-spec mxm slot which is able to provide up to 200watts of power to the gfx so power isn't an issue. The card itself is also larger than standard mxm cards. If thermal throttling starts at 82C, then, this would be a bit low as my GTX680m only starts throttling at 87C. For me, the form-factor of my 15" is great for such a powerful machine. I only wish they would remove the screen and release them like Commodore Amigas. Cooling pads with a few fans is definitely needed for gaming laptops like this. They're desktop replacement systems really in a relatively small form factor.

This is very impressive but the laptop and the power brick are not really all that mobile anymore 180w power bricks are already huge and this would require at least a 250W. This looks cool for someone that goes to lan parties but does'nt move their laptop otherwise.

Yes, this would be otherwise known as a desktop replacement laptop, especially the 18-19" models, not really designed to be that mobile but still with all the parts that make a laptop. The battery in them is little more than an extended ups

battery in them is little more than an extended ups

Yeah. For those who don't know; The battery in these kind of laptops (even mine) needs to be fully charged to get full-performance. I've had to mod a Dell 330watt power-supply to run my configuration stable as the standard 180watt doesn't provide enough juice. Also, worthy of note is a quick comparison of power requirements; GTX680m - 100watts GTX970m - 75watts GTX980m - 103watts GTX980 laptop - 165watts. So, it's quite a big jump from our standard mxm cards to this new mxm max standard. If they allow Sli GTX980 on laptop, then, the power-supply has got to be at least 400watts to be safe. Surely, at this stage we're crossing into desktop-like psu requirements? New connector/standard incoming perhaps to allow this to happen... Being able to use desktop power-supplies (in it's own caddie maybe) would be a major step forward.