Define "fury" Polaris 10 has roughly the same performance as Fury and probably has HBM1 on it. So I'd argue that Polaris 10 is the new Fury. But if you mean "Fury" as in card that's pushing technology, then yeah, Vega probably first cards to use HBM2.

Yeah, i was trying to say the second thing(english is not my first language). Maybe Polaris is for 490x, 490, fiji for 480x, 480, Hawaii 270x. And Vega for Fury2(or other name)

Couldn't they do two stacks of 4GB HBM1 on a card? Honestly, not sure if they need HBM2 for this year's releases.

HBM spec allows for up to 8 stacks.

HBM spec allows for up to 8 stacks.

Polaris 10/11 will most likely use standard GDDR5. The flagship Polaris as you pointed out could possibly use 8 stacks of HBM1.

Interesting. Something tells me Nvidia's next release is sooner than we think.

Polaris not even release and already "showcasing" the two future generations? Something's not right. I had(have?) high hopes for Polaris but this seems a bit discouraging.

That's completely right actually. It takes time to design those things, there are teams already at work for them. I have the feeling that Navi will be the departure from GCN, and most likely the base for the next generations of consoles.

What about Navi and "Nexgen memory"? What could that be? And its not like its far away, less than two years time.

I believe that Navi is most likely the "new" architecture after GCN. GCN seems to be scaling rather well, so it could just be an "ultra tweaked" version of it that might signal a new architecture. It's also on the spot where we will have had the next generation of consoles that I have no doubt will carry AMD chips once again. As for the conversation about GDDR5X, you need to remember that AMD has the interposer patents for HBM 1 at least. I have a feeling that GDDR5X is NVIDIA's way of circumventing that.

I think within 3yrs the console landscape will look a bit different. Next-gen...hmm. If MS have their way there is no next-gen, just incremental upgrades (or move back to PC). This leaves Sony and Nintendo... Nintendo NX is their next system for the next 5yrs. This only then leaves Sony PS5. Nvidia would love to get back into the console market, but, as the head company themselves...

I think within 3yrs the console landscape will look a bit different. Next-gen...hmm. If MS have their way there is no next-gen, just incremental upgrades (or move back to PC). This leaves Sony and Nintendo... Nintendo NX is their next system for the next 5yrs. This only then leaves Sony PS5. Nvidia would love to get back into the console market, but, as the head company themselves...

In 3 years you will probably just have Sony as the solo player. I can see the PS5 and the next Nintendo console going at it, but Nintendo's profile has always been less "antagonistic". I can't see Sony not attempting to go for a PS5, after all the success they have had. They will probably keep it an AMD x86/GCN affair, and have immediate backwards compatibility with the PS4, and developers won't need to have a retooling for everything again. I can see it having 8-16 Zen cores, 16GB of HBM1/2, and probably a 4096/3072 GCN core design. It will be relatively cheap to make, and at the door of a 10nm node that would make it even cheaper, while making it at least 3-4 times more powerful than the current generation, while maintaining the same tools and the backwards compatibility. Microsoft has been out of this game since the moment Nadella became CEO.

sony will make another ps# system and MS idea of UPGRADED able consoles wont happen, at that point it might as well be pc, Every console to ever have UPGRADE failed cause it either didnt sell or cause then they devs will would have to develop for lowest denominator spec wise to keep people happy, and if console have proven anything over the years it is devs dont like developing for PC cause it has to many config and no 1 system is the same, just look at stat pc game that where ported from consoles. I see Cloud consoles/gaming take over before this, but that wont happen till internet speeds are 100mbit for everyone at reasonable price with backbone that could handle it without throttling.. which is not even close to be reality yet, backbone maybe? but not reasonable prices. They much rather develop for 1 spec that is same for all. which why consoles are weere majority of all games are made. I am curious to what amd has up there selves, but more i want to see were there going with the star names theme for PR, are they trying to say the gap between the card are gona be as far as the gaps between the stars?? haha

It will not be PC. It will be PC hardware running the Xbox stack. It will be more like a Steambox, just locked down and in every single Windows 10 PC sold.