MSI To release two NVMe SSDs - Gen 4x4 and Read and Writes up-to 7000 MB/s (Updated)

The Goose

2021-04-12 23:42

cucaulay malkin:

not where it matters most my 8200pro reads 4k faster on pcie 3.0 https://static.tweaktown.com/content/9/7/9769_13_samsung-980-1tb-2-ssd-review.png

I take Crystal diskmark results with a grain of salt.....this is my 1tb rocket 4 plus.

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Ricepudding

2021-04-13 00:19

The only worrying thing about these Gen 4 SSD's and specially the faster ones is the almost reliance on some form of heatsink. Which some motherboards come with their own, but they might now need testing to find out if they meet the heat damand or you get one with a heatsink and then its hit or miss if your motherboard will fit it. Also makes me worry what Gen5 might mean? It may be better to replace sata connectors with a PCIe connect that you can mount something similar to a 2.5 drive that will help with heat

#5904271

rkb

2021-04-13 01:07

6900 MBs per second. NICE

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cucaulay malkin

2021-04-13 13:10

The Goose:

I take Crystal diskmark results with a grain of salt.....this is my 1tb rocket 4 plus.

that's pretty slow except for sequential reads I mean for a gen4 overall it's still gonna be fast in everyday use

#5904365

nosirrahx

2021-04-13 13:19

rkb:

6900 MBs per second. NICE

*When writing 1 massive contiguous file. NAND advancements (basically just the controllers) may have doubled sequential speed over last generation but the 4KQ1T1 random read went from a max of about ~60MB/s to ~80MB/s. It would really nice to see some new technology start doubling 4KQ1T1 random read without the insane drawbacks that come with Optane.

#5904371

DeskStar

2021-04-13 13:29

This talk of "is it fast enough for the PS5" is a joke. The system can reach a peak of almost 9GB/s not a consistent speed at that. Being that it isn't going to be sitting at them speeds all the time in every situation. Something a lesser drive with as many iops could suffice for I'm sure.

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DeskStar

2021-04-13 13:30

nosirrahx:

*When writing 1 massive contiguous file. NAND advancements (basically just the controllers) may have doubled sequential speed over last generation but the 4KQ1T1 random read went from a max of about ~60MB/s to ~80MB/s. It would really nice to see some new technology start doubling 4KQ1T1 random read without the insane drawbacks that come with Optane.

How much does a HDD provide in the realm of 4k? Honestly want to know...

#5904373

DeskStar

2021-04-13 13:33

tsunami231:

Questionable read is irrelevent at this point, that is no longer the problem the problem random read which how much everything read. Till that is fixed I rather higher capacty for at much more affordable prices that is currently. I see ZERO diffrence between gaming on HDD and SSD in games very very few games benfit from cause very few actual do sequential reads and large files at that. in fact very few things do that in first place and majorty thing that do are thing most people dont do are use.. The speed is overrated and price is still not worth less you are do those things that actual use sequential majority of time At risk of get flamed. I dont see diffrence between PS4 game loading time and PS5 games loading time, almost no game use sequential reading speeds, There is is almost no diffrence between Nioh and Nioh2 for ps4 and ps5 load times imo, and Control Ps5 load times are terrible imo IF the game is actual using sequential read speed that anothering but really how many games are doing and how many games are actual just hand full of LARGE Files? to actual read those speeds. I did test few days ago to see how fast Nioh Load speeds are on PC using 860, the SSD bearly broke 280mbs load the game load save or anything most time it just going up and down in speed cause going from file to file, that was small at this only large files ones that actaul went fast those, loaded before drive actual hit its true speeds. There not for gaming, only way that will ever come true is if game is is split into say 5+ files that huge that can be read using sequential speeds. atlest imo I could be wrong They all adertise those 7000mb/s but leave out the fact that is squietinal and random reads dont even come close to that which how most read happen in firstplace

The true reason why there's no difference between solid state and hard disk drive on the PS4 is because the system has a sata 2 setup and not a 3 like my One X. Hard drive failed in my 1X. And I put in a 2 TB solid state drive. Games load unbelievably faster. Hence the Xbox One X has sata 3 drive support. That's why there's a difference. Being able to actually saturate over 600 Mbps.

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DeskStar

2021-04-13 13:36

Kaleid:

While it's great with so fast writes it only really makes sense for a user with another fast SSD, copying from one to the other.

That's why I've put all of my solid state drives in a raid setup. I get 10,000 MB per second in a buffered read/write on three 500 GB Western digital blue solid state drives. And yes copying files between solid state to nvme is something nice. And or nvme to nvme. Shoot copying something from my phone with ufs 3.1 that's a large video file I can move a couple gigabytes in less than like 30 seconds.

#5904380

DeskStar

2021-04-13 14:02

tsunami231:

Questionable read is irrelevent at this point, that is no longer the problem the problem random read which how much everything read. Till that is fixed I rather higher capacty for at much more affordable prices that is currently. I see ZERO diffrence between gaming on HDD and SSD in games very very few games benfit from cause very few actual do sequential reads and large files at that. in fact very few things do that in first place and majorty thing that do are thing most people dont do are use.. The speed is overrated and price is still not worth less you are do those things that actual use sequential majority of time At risk of get flamed. I dont see diffrence between PS4 game loading time and PS5 games loading time, almost no game use sequential reading speeds, There is is almost no diffrence between Nioh and Nioh2 for ps4 and ps5 load times imo, and Control Ps5 load times are terrible imo IF the game is actual using sequential read speed that anothering but really how many games are doing and how many games are actual just hand full of LARGE Files? to actual read those speeds. I did test few days ago to see how fast Nioh Load speeds are on PC using 860, the SSD bearly broke 280mbs load the game load save or anything most time it just going up and down in speed cause going from file to file, that was small at this only large files ones that actaul went fast those, loaded before drive actual hit its true speeds. There not for gaming, only way that will ever come true is if game is is split into say 5+ files that huge that can be read using sequential speeds. atlest imo I could be wrong They all adertise those 7000mb/s but leave out the fact that is squietinal and random reads dont even come close to that which how most read happen in firstplace

One must understand a game is developed a certain way at that particular time. All of these games are older in regards to being available well before the PS5. Games are going to readily take advantage of these fast drives here soon. Already saw a drastic uptick in my one X loading times having to slap in an SSD in lieu of my bad HDD. Especially in red dead redemption 2! Like more than double the load times on standard HDD.

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tsunami231

2021-04-13 17:54

some game do see most dont and most on PC wont, cause I done see NVME replacing SSD and "mainstream" any time soon to, and most games dont use extra "random" read speed of the Sata SSD yet, yes the can be amazing when actual uses Read sync speeds

#5904531

jbscotchman

2021-04-14 01:52

Undying:

Gamers still have no use for them. Games will load just as fast on a cheap sata ssd.

I actually skipped the whole SATA SSD generation and went from SATA HDD to NVME. The only game where I noticed a big difference in gameplay was Kingdom Come Deliverance. That game hated my HDD. But the main reason I went with NVME was because it doesn't require any cables and its faster, but there is a negative. On my mainboard it's almost parallel with my GPU which makes it run about 5 degrees hotter. So yea I can see NVME's in the near future coming with stock heatsinks. As for the PS5 and XSEX, those systems aren't even close to being fully utilized yet.

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nosirrahx

2021-04-14 14:29

DeskStar:

How much does a HDD provide in the realm of 4k? Honestly want to know...

Its bad on a truly epic level. They sell flash drives with better 4K speed than HDDs.

#5904679

nosirrahx

2021-04-14 14:33

DeskStar:

This talk of "is it fast enough for the PS5" is a joke.

This had scratching my head from the beginning. Unless they jumped a generation to PCIe 5, started using PCIe X8 or X16 or went Optane the whole "fast enough for the PS5" really can't be anything other than "any decent PCIe 4X4 SSD will be enough".