Windows Vista was a perfectly fine OS that dumb people couldn't figure out? That was nice...

Everytime it always turns into a Windows 8/8.1 vs windows 7 B/S. We are talkiing about the new Windows OS. Who gives a s**t about the other OS because nearly everyone will upgrade to the new system. I for one want to know more about windows 9, but everytime i have to look through pointless crap about Windows 7/8/8.1.

Windows Vista was a perfectly fine OS that dumb people couldn't figure out? That was nice...

Vista was meh on launch, granted. But MS were quick to fix the mem usage and other annoyances such as an over protective (but under appreciated) UAC. I changed to Win 7 from Vista when windows 8 had already been a while and only because I got cheap from a fellow guru. I felt that Windows 7 was what should of been a final service pack to Vista and imo, all I got from 7 (and was well aware of it in advance) was the ability to snap windows about on the desktop and a fancy Taskbar, basically a Windows 7 exclusive Theme. I kept Vista installed on one of my 3 HDDs (still have) as some games at the time, ran faster in Vista than they did in 7 (FC2 for eg). Im not oblivious to the under the hood changes of 7, but again, should of been a Vista service pack or a free upgrade at most. The transition to 8.1 from 7 however, is such that I don't feel the need to ever go back to or want to go back to using windows 7 again. 8.1 is just so sharp and clean. The boring bubble gum type UI of 7/Vista (and bloated Aero) has finally been dropped and the OS is just so snappy and efficient in every way. 8.1 with all its under the hood updates and more apparent ones, just feel so much more of an upgrade compared to Vista to 7.

Everytime it always turns into a Windows 8/8.1 vs windows 7 B/S. We are talkiing about the new Windows OS. Who gives a s**t about the other OS because nearly everyone will upgrade to the new system. I for one want to know more about windows 9, but everytime i have to look through pointless crap about Windows 7/8/8.1.

Fair enough comment, but my point is that people see something different and put their feet in cement simply because someone else said that the new design or this and that is just plain terrible... and they follow it along like sheep. Its a shame MS give way to the whiners, as they're the customers that, while they maybe buying MS products, are also holding back progress. None of the changes MS has made other than the tiles is worth the whining and boycotting that 8 has received. If gamers only took the same level of stance that they apply to MS and a small change to UI (that can be changed with a couple of clicks), and used it against publishers and developers for all the useless port jobs and ridiculous dlc scamming, then maybe we'd have some proper pc games and not just handme downs from the consoles.

Metro, what metro. Its exactly like 7, but with a full screen start menu and the apps can be completely removed.

Yup and its really nice on a 30" 1600p monitor. Like I've said, not bad smaller touchscreen devices or monitors but unusably overwhelming on high rez large displays.

Yup and its really nice on a 30" 1600p monitor. Like I've said, not bad smaller touchscreen devices or monitors but unusably overwhelming on high rez large displays.

nvm.

Someone whoe doesnt like resource hogging bloatware. just try IE on win 8.1 and you'll find it to be far more of a responsive browser. Trust me. After showing a few friends, they've dropped FF and Chrome in favour of a less bloated experience and slow browsing. Damn straight i dont use bing though hahaha. FF will use upwards of 300mbs of ram at all times even while casual browsing, IE at most hits 90, only when watching videos at 1080p or higher, IE will use 300-350mb.

While IE maybe vastly improved. There are features that Chrome and firefox have with their extensions is being able to download videos from YT and noscript.

I really hope Windows 9, or whatever the name they plan for it, gets released soon so I can think about upgrading from Windows 7. Windows 8, or 8.1, was almost as bad as Windows Vista. It was designed under a stupid concept: people want touchscreen experience on their desktops. It is the most stupid idea MS has had in a long time. It does not make sense from an ergonomic standpoint, and even if it did, I do not want to get my gaming monitor dirty with my fingerprint. I live in Brazil, and things here are even worse. About a year ago, I built a computer for a friend of mine and learned that for some reason beyond understanding, MS does not sell Windows 8 for new computers, only up-grades. Once my friend was not up grading from anything, against our will we had to use an illegal copy. Why MS has done that, after so many years of public campaigns against illegal software, remains a mystery to me to this day. In the end, however, I think there was some divine justice on it: spending real money on such a lousy software should be consider illegal...

There is nothing wrong with change. With 3rd party software you can get the start menu back. As far as Windows 8 being as bad as Vista I agree with you to an extent. Vista was very different than Xp as far as where they put everything goes. And Windows 8 not having the start menu. The reason why people had trouble with Vista is because they were using it on crappy outdated hardware for the most part. And OEM computer makers like Dell,HP etc were building computers with inferior hardware to run Vista using only 1-2gb of RAM when they needed at least 4gb.

You're spot-on on most of your claims, except for:

Internet Explorer 11 is actually worth using, so much so, that i dont bother with firefox or any other bloatware about. Everything about IE is smoother and snappy just like the OS. ... just try IE on win 8.1 and you'll find it to be far more of a responsive browser. Trust me. After showing a few friends, they've dropped FF and Chrome in favour of a less bloated experience and slow browsing.

Is there any NoScript for IE 11? How about AdBlock? If not, I don't give a flying **** how much faster you perceive it to be. You're wrong, gtfo. Don't tell me that using my quite limited bandwidth to pull aids, pus and cancer from all over the internet without those essential components is "responsive" :bang:.

While people are entitled to their opinion, . . . People need to stop being so petty and stupid about change. The old Start menu is obsolete. I hadn't bothered with in windows 7 for quite sometime as it was quicker to have desktop icons or pinned to taskbar.

Just because you have an opinion about the lack of a feature that was present before, doesn't mean everyone else should have to follow suite just because you have an opinion. The best and most efficent way to deal with changes, especially extremely large changes like that (considering how many people still use the start button on a daily basis, it's a very large change regardless if you believe it is or not), is to allow for choice, and if Microsoft doesn't want to allow for choice, then they should never make the change. Thankfully, they are allowing for choice. But seriously, what you just said was "Well, i don't need it, and i don't use it, therefore, no one needs it, and no one uses it" .....

classicshell? Thats literally a step back. Learn (as in, open just the once, the rest is simple) and you find that the 8.1 start menu is far better and same goes for the rest of windows explorer.

Again, just because you prefer it, doesn't mean anyone else has to. Though i do have to wonder how you could possibly think that the windows 8 start menu could possibly be good at all. It's efficient to make your customers open up essentially a program to get to other programs, and if you want to use some programs within the program "Start Menu", and use programs on the desktop, it's exceptionally irritating to go between them? That's not efficient or good design. Again, this is an opinion, but i really can't understand the logic there.

You're spot-on on most of your claims, except for: Is there any NoScript for IE 11? How about AdBlock? If not, I don't give a flying **** how much faster you perceive it to be. You're wrong, gtfo. Don't tell me that using my quite limited bandwidth to pull aids, pus and cancer from all over the internet without those essential components is "responsive" :bang:.

Yes IE has adblock plus and thats about it. and Watch your self with comments like that which can lead to an infraction and a possible ban.

While people are entitled to their opinion, windows 8.1 is nothing more than a far more efficient version of Windows 7. Simple as that. Anyone else who says otherwise, they're just hopping on the bandwagon of No start button, windows 8 = fail.

If I have to relearn how Windows works, it is inefficient by default. And that's exactly what businesses think. They would have to train all there people again. MAYBE this is a great system for SOME home users, the money is in the business licenses, and I don't know of any business that adapted Windows 8. Not only is there the training, but many in-house applications would have to be completely reworked. So no, I don't hate it 'just' because of the lack of a start button. True you can use Windows without it, but if it makes thinks easier for some users (even if it was only one), then it was a mistake to remove it.

Yes IE has adblock plus and thats about it. and Watch your self with comments like that which can lead to an infraction and a possible ban.

An infraction or ban on a website it'll take 2 seconds to get access to again? Such a threat. IE11 sucks whoever uses it is a noob.

An infraction or ban on a website it'll take 2 seconds to get access to again? Such a threat. IE11 sucks whoever uses it is a noob.

I was trying to be nice to the guy so he doesn't get an infraction. I agree that IE11 sucks but there are times out there where using IE is necessary out in the work world.

Since when is IE11 necessary?

Who uses IE over Chrome?

I do. Chrome is okay but I hate Firefox. Of course you have to turn off most of Chrome's "features" like the auto sync, location finder, and default extensions like Google docs. I wouldn't use No Script if you paid me to. It's just like a HIPS system which I despise. AdBlock is also not needed in IE 11. Just get a good tracking protection list like privacychoice or Abine and you're good to go. You shouldn't block all ads anyway if you want to continue to have a free internet. IE 11 is a great browser and so is IE 10 for Windows 7. They are my defaults in both Win 8.1 and 7. I only use Chrome when I want to use Chromecast to send something to my TV. Firefox will have no place on any of my machines.

Thru the years ive used nothing but IE, and continue to do so. Nothing wrong with it at all.

Thru the years ive used nothing but IE, and continue to do so. Nothing wrong with it at all.

Totally agree. I've been happily using IE since v4 in Windows 98. Every succeeding version has been my default. Tried all the others and always came back to IE.

classicshell? Thats literally a step back. Learn (as in, open just the once, the rest is simple) and you find that the 8.1 start menu is far better and same goes for the rest of windows explorer.

If Windows 9 winds up being a free upgrade to 8.1 users and ships with the Start menu they have shown, I'll still be using Classic Shell. Nothing beats the Win 7 style start menu. If it's not a free upgrade, I won't have 9 at all.

You're spot-on on most of your claims, except for: Is there any NoScript for IE 11? How about AdBlock? If not, I don't give a flying **** how much faster you perceive it to be. You're wrong, gtfo. Don't tell me that using my quite limited bandwidth to pull aids, pus and cancer from all over the internet without those essential components is "responsive" :bang:.

Who needs AdBlock? Use Tracking Protection Lists. They don't bloat the browser and slow webpage loading.

Since when is IE11 necessary?

Some work environments require IE be used.

MAYBE this is a great system for SOME home users, the money is in the business licenses, and I don't know of any business that adapted Windows 8. Not only is there the training, but many in-house applications would have to be completely reworked.

Company I work for has 3 laptops running Windows8.1. For our guys, there was no training needed. We handed them the laptops and they got to work.

Windows Vista was a perfectly fine OS that dumb people couldn't figure out? That was nice...

Vista was totally fine. The cluster **** was down to hardware vendors not even attempting drivers till when the beta was closing up. Thing is a beta program what was going on for a year and a half is saw two reps from two big hardware vendors post once.

Thru the years ive used nothing but IE, and continue to do so. Nothing wrong with it at all.

And you will continue to be a noob. Thats on you. I don't even think you built your computer on the left. No one in their right mind that knows technology uses IE11. And anyone who is fluent in technology will not need new training on windows 8.