Huawei 24-core 7nm Kunpeng CPU outperforms Intel Core i9-9900K

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itpro:

Stop f****** "American" supremacy and racism around the globe. China is bad. China is at fault. China this, China that. We are tech enthusiasts regardless of origin and place of development. Also stop that Chinese "spying" thing. Russians and Americans are veterans in these. Chill out.
Give me a break, its not racist to call out a company for what they have actually done. There are Chinese companies I like, Huaiwei is one of the worst. Im getting really sick and tired of these stupid fallacy arguments that pop up everywhere about everything.
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bobblunderton:

You know this, obviously most others did not/do not. I will try and explain it for the rest of the folks here who may not know, how it was explained to me many many years ago. RISC computing is good for math and simple things like engine management or simple file management duties of a NAS, or even simple phone duties (be it a central phone server for an office or the cell phone many people hold in their hand). This requires much less transistors, less power = less heat output. CISC is good for multimedia, gaming, and so-forth. The complex instruction set is good for making short work of complex multimedia that most RISC processors would need many cycles to 'break down' and process. This being very complex, requiring millions of transistors, many complex instruction sets on-top of typical x86 / 64 instruction sets, but the more instructions = the more you can do with less processor cycles. For some duties, a RISC processor is inherently better; but if you watch movies or play lots of current-gen / last-gen games, CISC is the answer by leaps and bounds. So if you want to play the latest quarterly iteration of Call of Doodey, Cattlefield, or Couch-Fort Night, you'll want an x86/64 CISC CPU or APU processor. If you want to run your power grid, corporate / regional phone system, file server, industrial robot, or even a calculator/smart home thermostat or IOT devices, a RISC CPU is almost always better by a long-shot. I hope that helps explain some of it a little better, but I'm no field expert by a long shot (though I got my certs circa 1999~2000, and have worked a wide variety of fields).
Those are gross generalizations that have little if any fact behind them. They might have been true twenty years ago but there is zero evidence of it being true today. The best example to look at is your phone. It handles multimedia and games just fine in a hand-held, battery-powered unit that is certainly not a CISC processor. There is no inherent performance advantage today for either approach. Advantages lie in other areas like power consumption and manufacturability.
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Fender178:

It is impressive. Makes me wonder what Apple can do with their version of ARM chips for their PCs and see if they can out perform what they are currently using in their high end laptops.
I am interested in seeing how this goes for the future. We already know the major gaming engines are being optimized for the ARM architecture and Apple pushing this front is going to get the major PC MB makers to jump on board sooner or later. Imagine ARM powered Game PCs that support 4K/8K HDR video playback, surround audio, and lightweight VR/AR accessories in the near future with half the power requirements?! Who cares about the cores so long as the final end user PRICE delivers us the same or better experience as x86?
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nvm....
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Valken:

We already know the major gaming engines are being optimized for the ARM architecture and Apple pushing this front is going to get the major PC MB makers to jump on board sooner or later.
Apple tried pushing RISC in the past. Outside of the smartphone and tablet market, Apple is mostly ignored.
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sykozis:

Apple tried pushing RISC in the past. Outside of the smartphone and tablet market, Apple is mostly ignored.
True... I think what we need a Killer App to sell ARM... If they made the next Crysis ARM only, maybe... /s HW is just a platform in the end for consumers. It is the end user experience that they really pay for. Who knows right?! 😀
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"Huawei 24-core 7nm Kunpeng CPU outperforms Intel Core i9-9900K." Wow... that didn't take long. 😛
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Gomez Addams:

Those are gross generalizations that have little if any fact behind them. They might have been true twenty years ago but there is zero evidence of it being true today. The best example to look at is your phone. It handles multimedia and games just fine in a hand-held, battery-powered unit that is certainly not a CISC processor.
This is very misleading to me. By your logic, if I install shiny linux distro with desktop and add more sensors on my RaspberryPi to control battery, run a few games that were specifically compiled for ARM (RISK) arch, it suddenly won't be RISK anymore? Really? Those features has nothing to do with CPU in first place, it's just additional features.
Gomez Addams:

There is no inherent performance advantage today for either approach.
There may not be performance advantage for the purpose it built for. However, you can't run your typical windows applications on it. Therefore I said, comparing RISK and CISC and like comparing apples to oranges. You can't run Windows and play DirectX games on your RISK CPU. There are advantages of being able to execute different software with different hardware. Just cause apples are not better than oranges, doesn't mean it has less advantages.
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You bring me memories. All those kids that have an IT job and payroll believe they know about processors. I envy their blessed ignorance.
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Tyrchlis:

To be fair, almost every modern x86/x86-64 CPU is a CISC/RISC hybrid with CISC I/0 converting processed data into micro ops that are very much RISC-like. That has been the case since AMD bought NexGen and released K6. Cyrix made a go of that and made a mess of it. Intel eventually picked up the trick too and has done as well as AMD with the concept ever since. There really are no pure CISC processors anymore. There are, however, pure RISC designs still, but really are of very niche focus other than ARM (Advanced RISC Machine). Edit - keep in mind that modern, long pipeline processors with SMT really HAVE to be RISC style micro-ops or the pipelines would be too complex for high clocks.
You have struck the proverbial nail on its head. The Pentium 4 is the poster child for the drawbacks of long pipelines that relied on higher clock rates to get tolerable performance. As soon as the competition achieved those clock rates the weaknesses became apparent. That was the last processor Intel made of that nature. Today, with the design tools and fabrication technology that is available, RISC processors have become like an ASIC module. This is what has enabled so many companies to make the wide variety of SOCs we see today.
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itpro:

You bring me memories. All those kids that have an IT job and payroll believe they know about processors. I envy their blessed ignorance.
and some of us went to gradual school to study the topic. I subscribed to IEEE Transactions on Microprocessors for many, many years as it was THE best resource for this stuff at the time. ACM had some good stuff too. Eventually the internet made those publications obsolete and now you can get about as much from WikiChip.org and you don't need bookshelves to hold them all any more.
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Great metaphors ! I have been an AMD fanboy since the K7 days. In my profile you can see an image I raytraced of AMD's logo on a K7. Back then, their logo was always green. Since then I have not built a single machine with an Intel processor for myself. At work, the last two machines we got have had AMD processors and their performance is outstanding. We do a lot of HPC work and performance has taken a massive leap forward over the last few years. Some applications used to require a network of five 4U machines to get adequate performance and we can use a single 2U machine now. It is been a lot of fun lately.