cryohellinc:

Don't care about how they spend their money,

You obviously do since you don't understand the fact that resenting someone because of the LEGAL way someone spends their money has nothing to do with you and you're just deciding to "take it out" on someone when you get upset at something rather then be a normal human being and moving on with your life. The fact that you posted as much as you did in response to my reply shows as much. Either you care about how they spend their money and what on, or you don't. You clearly do, and that's the problem. No one/nothing gives you a right to care what other people legally spend their money on, so move on. Or don't and waste your life getting upset about things that are rightfully not in your control. Up to you.

Aura89:

You obviously do since you don't understand the fact that resenting someone because of the LEGAL way someone spends their money has nothing to do with you and you're just deciding to "take it out" on someone when you get upset at something rather then be a normal human being and moving on with your life. The fact that you posted as much as you did in response to my reply shows as much. Either you care about how they spend their money and what on, or you don't. You clearly do, and that's the problem. No one/nothing gives you a right to care what other people legally spend their money on, so move on. Or don't and waste your life getting upset about things that are rightfully not in your control. Up to you.

While I agree with you on right to legally do whatever you want with your resources. There is bit of contradiction. If he (and everyone else) had no right to care/control what other people do with their money, ... there would be no legal boundary to begin with. There would be no economical regulation. In a way, if enough of people care, there is going to be law for that and therefore control.

Agent-A01:

And it applies to your opinion on whether or not you think leather jackets are in style.

You referring to me or the collective 'your'? I only ask because I never said they were or were not stylish, merely a meme in the tech industry.

Fox2232:

While I agree with you on right to legally do whatever you want with your resources. There is bit of contradiction. If he (and everyone else) had no right to care/control what other people do with their money, ... there would be no legal boundary to begin with. There would be no economical regulation. In a way, if enough of people care, there is going to be law for that and therefore control.

As a premise, sure. As a reality to this situation? If that would have been even a remote reality, it would have been to prevent people from over-buying cards to mine with. That didn't happen. So i agree, yes, if someone feels that strongly and wants to change the law and find others that feel the same way and prevent nvidia from....making expensive cards? doing pre-orders? Really i don't even know what there is to be upset with here since if it makes someone upset (the price, not the people buying) then that itself fixes the problem(enough people upset, and don't buy, prices will go down), and if it doesn't, then it obviously wasn't a big enough problem(but again, other peoples purchases have nothing to do with ones own purchases, if people don't agree with you and purchase anyways, deal with it and move on). However, again if someone feels that strongly, then by all means do something about it. Like, ACTUALLY do something about it. But feeling resentment for people legally buying something? That's just nonsense. If you wish for things to not become expensive, not to continue to get more expensive, and decrease in price, then either get it to become illegal to price things that high for what it is (not going to happen) or use your wallet to tell the company what they are doing isn't something you like. But your wallet is the only one you have a right tell that company with, not others. Others making their own decisions has nothing to do with anyone else.

I am also distressed that no one picked up on my Bella Swan reference. I genuinely thought that was a work of genius. I even called my mummy and told her.

Aura89:

You obviously do since you don't understand the fact that resenting someone because of the LEGAL way someone spends their money has nothing to do with you and you're just deciding to "take it out" on someone when you get upset at something rather then be a normal human being and moving on with your life. The fact that you posted as much as you did in response to my reply shows as much. Either you care about how they spend their money and what on, or you don't. You clearly do, and that's the problem. No one/nothing gives you a right to care what other people legally spend their money on, so move on. Or don't and waste your life getting upset about things that are rightfully not in your control. Up to you.

While I can respect your liberal beliefs, your statement is not quite accurate. I would even dare say go against a liberal mindset. First of all, nobody can actually enforce (for now) what people should care about, and why they do it. If i want to be mad at people feeding ducks, I can do that. Does it show a problem about me? Does it show a problem about them? Nobody knows unless someone actually makes an analysis, which is subjective, on a subjective situation. Ohh well enough of that. Personally I see the GPU situation like this. From my personal consumer point of view, I have clear motives: 1. I want the best product at the best prices. I guess you could add great price/performance to it. 2 . I want the company that makes such products to profit from their sales, so they can continue providing #1. So why does it bother me, when tons of people buy a perfectly legal product, for their own hard earned money, and use it for non-harmful ways of interaction? Because it prevents my #1 motive. A company that knows it can take a higher price of the top.. lets just fling out a number: 20% people and earn even more than if it sold to more people for less, is obviously not gonna care about price/performance enough for me to be happy. Especially in a situation where the competition at high level is not really any sort of competition as of this post. I dont personally think I need to do something about it, or be some kind of important person to have these thoughts or beliefs. I am 100% entitled to have wishes and hopes for the future, even if I did nothing to contribute to it, because I feel I have inadequate power, intelligence and resolution to see it through. It's a bit like climate change and wars. I dont have any personal beliefs I can stop them, but I sure do hope they will be.

Yes, it is quite accurate. You (and everyone else here who thinks like you) have no right to tell anyone else what to do with their hard earned money PERIOD. The best product costs money, it isn't automatically priced to suit you, no matter how much you would like it to be. As Aura89 said, you are entitled to vote with your wallet, and if you feel that strongly about it, I sincerely hope that you do.

Jesus lord everyone get back on topic, stop talking about leather jackets, grammar, politics, and insulting people!!!!!! Only warning you will get, any post after this one going back to that will be given points.

I wonder if Nvidia isn't getting as many pre-orders as they hoped.

IMO- NV hoped for higher Pre-Order count with all the Hype they created, but now Gamers see that at 1080TI price the performance upgrade isn't great + there is huge 2nd hand market after mining ended and you can get almost New 1080Ti with 2Y+ warranty at half price. So why would any1 Pre-order it? it's better to wait for real upgrade when 7nm AMD/NV is out, this 2080 are just place holder since NV thought "Lets make easy Money since AMD not planing to release their Gaming GPU for next couple of months". So Do yourself a favor- Get 2nd hand 1080TI with 2Y+ warranty for dirty cheap $$$$ and save your mony for 7NM GPU's.

Hey guys, I just realized that a new Ti costs as much as a PS4 Pro, an Xbox One X and a Switch. Combined. Lol.

HWgeek:

So Do yourself a favor- Get 2nd hand 1080TI with 2Y+ warranty for dirty cheap $$$$ and save your mony for 7NM GPU's.

Or even better keep your money under the mattress (or in the bank, whatever is to your liking) and don't buy anything from those greedy green bastards. Learn it from a 40-year old geek: Higher FPS will not make you more happy.

Fox2232:

Do you know what's really funny thing here. @Loobyluggs made one easy to overlook/forget/ignore sentence. Huang is not even reading it, and with that ego of his would not cry over it. But you guys, you had to push it. And Loobyluggs made marvelous post. I bet neither of you could stay at topic as he did without mindless babbling. But yeah! He dared to insult your God of GPUs. Get over it, it is just graphics card and little man.

Another one of your stupid posts that seem to crop up more often lately. I'll defend someone if I see it as necessary, even if it were from a company you insinuated I hated because a company does not represent anyone's true identity. Insulting anyone is not cool, period. Bringing a product into discussion(when there is zero relevance) and comparing it to a person's character just shows how simple-minded you really are. TEXT REMOVED - let's KEEP THINGS CIVILIZED PLEASE @vbets my bad, missed your warning. I read from page 1 onwards, not backwards

PrMinisterGR:

Hey guys, I just realized that a new Ti costs as much as a PS4 Pro, an Xbox One X and a Switch. Combined. Lol.

Nice point but you have to remember something extremely important: they don´t have Ray tracing!!!

H83:

Nice point but you have to remember something extremely important: they don´t have Ray tracing!!!

It's just another of those "features" I would always turn off for 2x performance. We need smarter consumers and stronger competition. Hopefully Intel will enter the market with something worth our time.

The feature is awesome, but I really found the thought sobering, and an indication of how warped the market is. Other comparisons include : Same amount of money as a 4k OLED TV with Dolby Vision and Atmos, or a full 7.1.4 Atmos sound system. I compare apples to oranges, I know, but...

PrMinisterGR:

The feature is awesome, but I really found the thought sobering, and an indication of how warped the market is. Other comparisons include : Same amount of money as a 4k OLED TV with Dolby Vision and Atmos, or a full 7.1.4 Atmos sound system. I compare apples to oranges, I know, but...

But on the flipside I paid $3300 for my 65" LG OLED and $1500 for two channels on my 5.1 System (KEF LS50s). I also use my LG TV less than I do my graphics card and with the image retention will probably last as long lol. The pricing is relative to what people are willing to pay. 5 years ago I would have shelled out the $1200.. I paid $1000 for the 690 when it launched. Now I rarely play any newer titles, mostly just SC2 and other random older/indie games. So I don't care to spend $1200 on something I'm not going to use - I don't feel it's worth the price.

Olfert Hansen:

While I can respect your liberal beliefs,

Lol way to try and bring politics in where politics do not exist. No point reading anything else you state if you start off like that, so good luck with the rest of your long, judgmental post.

I got a 55 inch C7 OLED for 1200€, so I can't complain. You have to try really hard for it to have retention btw. For speakers, something like the Samsung HW-N950 are around there too, and it's a full system. The only thing that makes me want to upgrade, eventually, is playing something like Cyberpunk on that TV. I also know that it is anathema in here, but games like Gt Sport and Horizon look and feel way better than they should, and the 1080p upscaling of the TV is great.

Loobyluggs:

...Not saying it is because of comparative products, but when you can buy all 3 games consoles (and one of them plays UHD bluerays) for the price of ONE gfx card...your brain just kinda says 'meh' and you merrily amble along...

PrMinisterGR:

Hey guys, I just realized that a new Ti costs as much as a PS4 Pro, an Xbox One X and a Switch. Combined. Lol.

Yup. Like I said, it's not the comparison, it's just...a graphics card...a PC Component...it's not worth it. I'm not saying that graphics cards are not technically worth investing in, just, c'mon, srsly, it's just a graphics card that is there (for the most part) to play games. Games consoles are incredible value for money - and they play UHD Blue-rays...let's look at it another way, I can get a 50inch Sony 10-bit UHD HDR Teevee for less money, and that will have all the gubbins for netflix etc, and the connections necessary for Ethernet so I wouldn't need a STB. It's not about comparisons, it's about contemplations. Yeah, you can have an RTX graphics card that will own UHD gaming, but SFW, when you can have a 50inch 10-bit UHD from MF'ing Sony. Anyone here got a 50inch'er? Don't know about anyone else here, but I'd rather have a 50incher that I can use to entertain guests with, than an RTX graphics card that will only entertain my power company.