AIO units have oddly designed integrated pumps which generate more heat (smaller impellers=high RPM) than their standalone counterparts, dumping that heat directly into the loop of course. they have thinner tubing restricting flow rate. most importantly they contain a low volume of liquid due to their compact design. AIO units cut corners in order to provide better (or just quieter) than air results without the technical & logistical challenge of assembling a loop yourself. thats obvious & was basically all scoob was trying to say - the good AIO units are better than air, & only the enthusiasts (namely, us) are going to be able to benefit directly from the quantifiable performance gap between these kits & an mcp655/laing d5, some solid copper blocks & tygon, & a monster rad fitted with panaflos...or deltas :P anyway thats wandering a bit outside the scope of this thread because this is about EK spinning a defective product into advertising for their new line. personally i like the concept of quick disconnect fittings, & if EK designs this properly (ie no leaks, no corrosion, etc) then ill applaud them for the interesting idea. in practice however i dont like quick disconnect. properly sealing fittings are bulky & expensive. its legitimately difficult to route tubing around them. thats why i still use regular fatboy barbs from dangerden & worm drive clamps...

In my opinion... (I've had both AIO's and Custom loop) The difference is very small. Yes, custom loops are better. They are customisable, usually have a greater cooling capacity, and slightly more efficent. However, from my own experience using my EK Predator 240 to cool a CPU and my titan x, it's still impressively close - and for me, a hell of a lot more convient. I hated building a custom loop!

i wouldnt say slightly. vastly increased head pressure (from an impeller of doubled diameter), higher flow rate (from wider barbs/tubing), & the temperate-normalizing properties of a significantly larger volume of fluid (thanks to a proper reservoir) all equate to drastically more efficient heat dissipation in a custom loop. the laws of thermodynamics most certainly apply. now, whether or not the extra money, time, & effort is worth a few degrees from your load temps & a smaller idle-to-load temperature delta in general...is very subjective! but i dont say that to argue! 😀

What do you all think will MLC have the same MX block and pump as Predator XLR?

especially considering the recall, id assume so. the leaks were due to faulty o-ring seals, i heard. EK is gonna want to keep costs under control to recoup their losses, so i dont see them redesigning anything if its not necessary - or using more expensive preexisting designs either ive talked **** about EKs customer service & management style in the past plenty - but when their products work, they are great. the multioption res i owned was quite nice, & my current gpu block is a beast. hope their new kits work well & have no hitches!

I dont question their quality, its great, was wondering maybe they will use improved or stronger pressure pump 🙂 I live near their HQ in Komenda lol just 30km away, could drive there and ask 🤓

In my opinion... (I've had both AIO's and Custom loop) The difference is very small. Yes, custom loops are better. They are customisable, usually have a greater cooling capacity, and slightly more efficent. However, from my own experience using my EK Predator 240 to cool a CPU and my titan x, it's still impressively close - and for me, a hell of a lot more convient. I hated building a custom loop!

Increase your OC and voltage and you will soon see how an AIO is unable to cope with the massive increase in heat for long hours of gaming. Also depends on fan speed too, my fans run at 500rpm, you cant even hear that my machine is running its so quiet along with maximum performance. Run a AIO at 500rpm fan speed and watch that rad heat up to insane levels....especially when GPU's are added in the Loop that is if you can add them to an AIO loop which i dont think you can and even if you can its pointless on a single rad. If you had a custom loop and you think your AIO is the same if not better then your custom loop must have been crap tbh. You didnt build it right and probably skimped on components. Having a dual 240 says it all, you didnt build a proper loop in the first place if your shouting about how great this is lol Like i said at stock everything is nice, overclock it massively and you will see your loop fail. 240 rads arent even worth buying IMO. If your struggling for space then buy a new case and do it properly. Corsair Graphite 760t is nice case of decent custom cooling without going to big on the case like a 900D etc This is the lowest on WC parts i would go regarding ratio/size https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brhK0dh51-s And Scooby just pointing out that you cant get similar performance in an AIO compared to a proper well done custom Loop. I may come across as abrupt sometimes in how i say things but i dont talk BS, i talk from experience and i know what im talking about cause i walk the walk and dont talk the talk with anything i do in life. In other words ill go find out for myself instead of listening to somebody 😉

And Scooby just pointing out that you cant get similar performance in an AIO compared to a proper well done custom Loop. I may come across as abrupt sometimes in how i say things but i dont talk BS, i talk from experience and i know what im talking about cause i walk the walk and dont talk the talk with anything i do in life. In other words ill go find out for myself instead of listening to somebody 😉

But your experience is not the same as everyone else, so to speak as if your experience is the be all end all is not right. Again, I'm not comparing an AIO to a full custom loop with numerous rads and more fans etc. That was never my intention since they are different.. that's comparing a Prius to an Audi.. Anyway, I use the 360, 3 120mm fans, run them all at low speed, and that alone is enough to cool my hot, volted out 2600K at 4.5ghz, and an overclocked 980TI. My temps get up there for sure after hours of gaming but I recognize that will happen.. I only wish to keep the gear cool enough to run properly and still achieve high OC, which it does absolutely fine. if I wanna run my stuff cooler, I just turn up the fans a bit and that's it that's all. If I was so concerned with having my gear run at 30-40c maxed out, then sure, I would invest in a full loop that obviously would perform much better and cost FAR MORE. The whole point I was trying to make is that for the effort and money and time you will spend to install a custom loop that is comparable to a high end AIO like the Predator series, there is a reason why they have their place in the market.