AMD Zen Octacore Summit Ridge engineering sample spotted at 3.2/3.5 GHz

Loophole35

2016-11-25 21:59

maybe it is far fetish but what if the SR refer to the Radeon graphics brand, like they did with there 7th generation processors R7, R5, R4 and R2 🤓

SR=Summit Ridge

#5362988

PrMinisterGR

2016-11-25 23:32

maybe it is far fetish but what if the SR refer to the Radeon graphics brand, like they did with there 7th generation processors R7, R5, R4 and R2 🤓

That's a sound idea actually. [spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/K77OSkh.jpg[/spoiler]

from what I saw it is double the threads SR3: 4core 8 thread SR5: 6core 12thread SR7: 8core 16thread SR7 BE: 8core 16thread

Where did you get these? I'm not sure we'll even see a 6-core Zen. As far as I understand the whole thing works in packages of 4.

#5363000

DARKSF

2016-11-26 00:36

For the folks out there thinking that AMD will shoot themselfs in the leg believe me the very same stuff i heard back in 1999 but they didn't bancrupted they shot Pentium III so badly that Intel was forced to bury it too fast instead of optimise it and released the Pentium IV which then was just blowned up by Athlon 64x again but fortunatelly the Israeli division of Intel kept the PIII architecture alive and well optimised as Pentium M for Notebooks they took it duested it off and created Core Duo and then Core 2 Duo which was finally on pair with K8 and K10 unfortunatelly for AMD back then Jim Keller left and the company went with the Buldozer bul****.I don't trust AMD i trust Jim Keller for his work on K7 , K8 , HyperTransport bus , Apple A4 and A5 and i have all the trust in the upcoming K12 architecture and that it will shoot down again the entire Intel CPU architecture which obviously reached it's limits 4 years ago and now is only die shrinking and new features the only thing that is happening. Trust Jim Keller not AMD after all they took ATI and since then it is only loosing market share.

#5363003

Anarion

2016-11-26 00:39

That's a sound idea actually. [spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/K77OSkh.jpg[/spoiler] Where did you get these? I'm not sure we'll even see a 6-core Zen. As far as I understand the whole thing works in packages of 4.

That's how I understand it too. It's indeed package of four cores and I'm not sure if it's possible to disable invidual cores. 6 core variant is unlikely for that reason.

#5363009

Loophole35

2016-11-26 00:59

That's how I understand it too. It's indeed package of four cores and I'm not sure if it's possible to disable invidual cores. 6 core variant is unlikely for that reason.

sr3=4c/8t sr5=8c/8t sr7=8c/16t?

#5363015

KissSh0t

2016-11-26 01:20

My only concern is that motherboard manufacturers will cheap out on parts. Then we would end up with boards that will blow up and AMD will fully take the blame even though it would not be their fault. (Or the CPU will throttle like made and make it look like their CPU's are slow and once again, AMD would take the blame.):bang:

My motherboards doing ok so far.. 8 core cpu, cheap motherboard.. *shrugs*

#5363028

-Tj-

2016-11-26 02:03

That's a sound idea actually. [spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/K77OSkh.jpg[/spoiler] Where did you get these? I'm not sure we'll even see a 6-core Zen. As far as I understand the whole thing works in packages of 4.

where.. In main news, check again 😉 This was also posted by someone few days ago (@overclock.net).. Its all in there + cinbench15 scores. And SR5 clearly states as a 6core 12thread. It can be split in 4-6-8 cores, its not like Buldozer module and even that was able to split it just like Intel does. Yes cache is apparently split between 4, but then again they can use defective 8cores and disable 2 cores, viola 6core 12 threads.. http://image.slidesharecdn.com/hc28amdmikeclark-160823152344/95/amd-and-the-new-zen-high-performance-x86-core-at-hot-chips-28-14-638.jpg?cb=1472000230 http://www.slideshare.net/AMD/amd-and-the-new-zen-high-performance-x86-core-at-hot-chips-28/1 http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/zen-cpu

#5363050

PrMinisterGR

2016-11-26 03:58

4/6/8 is also a good split. Sure much more than what Intel offers.

#5363057

fry178

2016-11-26 05:11

@waltc3 and how many cpus arcs did amd release since A64? how many of those equalled intel in performance? right. they cried wolf so many times, im done believing anything from amd, until i've seen guru/thg and others testing a zen. @all even if it really performs really good (ipc), still doesnt mean we will have a "mature" platform as i could get (most likely will) right now from intel (5820k/6800k), where i know i won't have any "headaches" in the next 4-5 month, because of new and untested hardware/drivers.. and since there wasn't an accidental leak, i doubt its a "performer", but a "budget" cpu (don't mean that in a bad way). we had almost complete specs around june/july for a cpu released 3 month later (FX83xx). Where is all the detailed (official amd) info on zen (besides core count on the big one), if its sooo good? (clocks/voltage/chipset etc), since release is in less than 2 month. and my 3770k is my first intel rig ever (amd since 2001), so don't start with the fanboy crap.

#5363059

Neo Cyrus

2016-11-26 05:56

My only concern is that motherboard manufacturers will cheap out on parts. Then we would end up with boards that will blow up and AMD will fully take the blame even though it would not be their fault. (Or the CPU will throttle like made and make it look like their CPU's are slow and once again, AMD would take the blame.):bang:

And this is why you should always buy a motherboard based on overall build quality and power delivery. There's plenty of companies which boast superior build quality on certain boards, from Gigabyte (at least they used to) to ASRock. There's always going to be a derp that buys a potato quality part and blames the issues on something else. If you buy an Asus Rampage Hero Dildo Edition board with extra sparkles that has a 4 phase power delivery system made out of that's on you. Speaking of which, what's up with Asus and always having far less power delivery phases than every other manufacturer?

#5363061

merxxdc

2016-11-26 06:14

While AMD is still tring to make CPUs to compete with i7 ( and xeon ? ) some of us have LONG bought Intel ES 14nm (and 22nm) xeon 14/20core chips for 300-600usd and have made that money up x100. If we waited for AMD we would be homeless now. For everything else that needs single thread performance just use and i5-6600k overclocked or even that i3. I hear you... ES chips ? Yeah, why not. ES chips. AMD reminds me of Pentax. While Sony, Nikon and Canon had all released full frames cameras, pentax didn't release their FF until last year, by the time all their loyal fans have left. It's no wonder not many pros use Pentax, although it does offer more value.

#5363081

fry178

2016-11-26 09:19

Speaking of which, what's up with Asus and always having far less power delivery phases than every other manufacturer?

if its 2 p less than the usual max (8+2/2), but better quality on the components, you wont notice that on pwr delivery. at least i dont remember a review having trouble ocing 58xx/69x on asus boards. http://sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-list seems the latest asrock x99 (gaming/overclocking series) are better than (most) asus...

#5363103

omga147

2016-11-26 12:54

Allot of people don't think beyond the gaming aspect of why people buy cpus. Photographers that use Lightroom have found that the sweet spot for cores is 6. An inexpensive 6core processor that can compete with Broadwell will sell like hotcakes to people who do this for a living. Add in those that need more cores to do work with software that can take advantage of all the cores, and threads that can't always afford the Intel option, then you have a pretty good sized market that is looking very expectantly to the release of these products.

#5363154

jura11

2016-11-26 16:02

While AMD is still tring to make CPUs to compete with i7 ( and xeon ? ) some of us have LONG bought Intel ES 14nm (and 22nm) xeon 14/20core chips for 300-600usd and have made that money up x100. If we waited for AMD we would be homeless now. For everything else that needs single thread performance just use and i5-6600k overclocked or even that i3. I hear you... ES chips ? Yeah, why not. ES chips. AMD reminds me of Pentax. While Sony, Nikon and Canon had all released full frames cameras, pentax didn't release their FF until last year, by the time all their loyal fans have left. It's no wonder not many pros use Pentax, although it does offer more value.

I agree ES chip are good value for money, but don't take this wrong bit their non ES Xeon don't offer good value for money, I've been using E5-2683v3 ES chip although good chip for rendering but pain in arse to use in anything else where you want good single core performance or in viewport in 3DS max due this I'm using more my i7-5820k more for rendering If Zen will or I just hoping will deliver I'm looking forward to switch to Zen. I wouldn't compare yours ES to retail Xeon, this chip is always gimped, but depends what you do Hope this helps Thanks, Jura

#5363194

xrodney

2016-11-26 17:54

While AMD is still tring to make CPUs to compete with i7 ( and xeon ? ) some of us have LONG bought Intel ES 14nm (and 22nm) xeon 14/20core chips for 300-600usd and have made that money up x100. If we waited for AMD we would be homeless now. For everything else that needs single thread performance just use and i5-6600k overclocked or even that i3. I hear you... ES chips ? Yeah, why not. ES chips. AMD reminds me of Pentax. While Sony, Nikon and Canon had all released full frames cameras, pentax didn't release their FF until last year, by the time all their loyal fans have left. It's no wonder not many pros use Pentax, although it does offer more value.

Only problem with this is that intel Xeons with 20 cores runs on very low frequency, are hardly overclockable and is too expensive. Thing is, many of us enthusisasts could use more then 4 cores but dont need dozens of them. Advantage with 6/8 cores is that they have almost as good singlethread performance and at same time double of cores compared to quad core. Ant to be honest, quad cores now mainstream in both mobiles and notebook and is there for like 10 years with close to zero performance increase in last few intel CPU generations, its freaking time to get 6-8 core to mainstream desktop and I mean NOW and not in 2019.

#5363226

-Tj-

2016-11-26 20:02

@fry178 well you could have said the same by Z87 or Z97 release, manufacturers needed few months to iron bios out, saw the same with Z170.. That said, "complaining" about not being good by release is a moot point imo. Speaking of crappy VRM, well if you buy a cheap mobo of course it will be cheaply build too.. That's why I bought this mobo with 16phase back then, I wanted to be as stable as possible and of curse to have best OC as possible, and now I see I made the right choice back then. Yeah it was 100$ more but hey quality is $$. 😀

#5363235

nz3777

2016-11-26 20:28

From overclock.net............. Zen 8/16 @ 3.2 ghz- $499 Zen 8/16 @ 3.0 ghz- $349 Zen 6/12 @ ?- $249 Zen 4/8 @ ?- $149 Those are some killer prices to be honest on all of them, I just hope they are good cant wait.

#5363243

-Tj-

2016-11-26 20:55

wow that 4core is ultra cheap, almost too cheap, if at 4.2 - 4.4ghz it will be serious LGA115x competitor and probably sell like hot cakes too lol its basically a intel i7 4core, 6core looks mighty too for 250€ if ~3.7-3.9ghz

#5363249

PrMinisterGR

2016-11-26 21:18

If those prices and specs are real, and the chips can OC to 4.0GHz+ with IPC equivalent to Broadwell-E, then Intel's current lineup with the current prices is obsolete overnight. If.

#5363297

PrMinisterGR

2016-11-26 23:42

what are the PCIe lanes count? Any exact numbers? So far all I've read was 2x 16x Gen 3 and additional lanes with PLX chip on mobo..

32 on the CPU itself and a DMI bus to connect to the motherboard PHYs.