AMD to launch 12nm Ryzen in February

D3M1G0D

2017-09-27 17:38

4KShmoork:

I disagree that the clock speed race is over. In fact if 12nm allows Ryzen to maintain 4.5GHz on all 8c, AMD will finally steal a significant portion of the high perf/enthusiast market away from Intel. Single core perf and clock speeds are the only factors holding back gamers/enthusiasts from switching over IMO.

I agree that the clock speed race is not yet over, although it's getting increasing more difficult to ramp up clock speeds. Thus, adding more cores would be an easier way to add more power, although it depends on application support. Also, enthusiasts like me have already switched over - my current gaming rig is a Ryzen 7 system, paired with a couple of 1080s. I switched because I saw that I would get a lot more computing power with Ryzen (at the same price point) while losing very little in gaming performance. As expected, my Ryzen 7 has provided a big boost to my computing numbers, and I get a smooth gaming experience as well so I'm pretty happy with my setup. If 12nm Ryzen can clock higher then it would be a nice bonus, although I'd probably stay where I'm at. When I upgrade, it'll probably be a Zen 2 or 3, depending on the improvements.

#5476250

Fox2232

2017-09-27 18:05

nz3777:

Id like to see Ryzen that can overclock to 5ghz, then we can call it a victory.

What victory? Last time I checked intel's many core workstation chips which OC anywhere near that (4.8GHz)... 8C/16T ~320W (oc3d); 16C/32T ~650W (Jayz2C). Sure, OC anything you want, but it is unreasonable. If all Zen+ gains is 5% better IPC, stable 4.2GHz for most of chips and 5~10% lower power consumption, it will rule. Because that would mean +16% per core performance for usual Joe while reducing heat (22%+ better performance/Watt).

#5476251

Silva

2017-09-27 18:06

kastriot:

Dont worry about life expectancy they will be obsolete by then 😛 ^^

I'm sorry, but my mom still uses my P4 3.0Ghz, 14 years and going. Of course not everyone keeps their hardware that long, but I can't afford to replace so often.

4KShmoork:

I disagree that the clock speed race is over. In fact if 12nm allows Ryzen to maintain 4.5GHz on all 8c, AMD will finally steal a significant portion of the high perf/enthusiast market away from Intel. Single core perf and clock speeds are the only factors holding back gamers/enthusiasts from switching over IMO. Even if chip prices are comparable to intels; if the performance is there some enthusiasts will pivot to AMD because everyone loves an underdog (myself included).

I'm sure many gamers/enthusiasts already did the switch. No, most people are faithful to a brand. Even if AMD would release the new CPU king of performance, people would still buy Intel.

RzrTrek:

+10% performance gain over Ryzen or am I reading it wrong?

10% over 16nm. Ryzen is 14nm. We have no idea how much gain 12nm will be.

jose2016:

Will the current motherboards serve?

Good question, the socket is the same but will we need the X/B/A4xx chipset?

#5476261

mameira

2017-09-27 18:20

Ricepudding:

I disagree, although as a whole the clockspeed race is primary over, we still need a higher clock speed for many applications. cores are great but are worthless if they don't clock very high. Fact is many programs still prefer and want high clock speeds, this might see a rapid change with everyone now getting more cores in their system but least this is the way it is right now. it's why the 7700k performs so well even with only 4 cores These chips should hit 4.4ghz, unless they are going to hit the same 4.1ghz of the current Ryzen, which even with an IPC increase won't be that incredible sadly. Zen 2 i hear is meant to be aiming for 5GHz and this is where we would see massive gains. 6/8 cores running at 4.8-5GHz would perform amazingly. Sadly i feel this jump might be more of a sandy bridge to ivy bridge kind of leap, where the performance increase will be quite small... Still time will tell, if they are able to increase IPC and push clock speeds a little then the jump should be a fairly nice amount

So, a FX 9590 should wipe the floor in those applications that require high clock speeds right? Even better then a 7700k right? Wrong. High clocks matter, but we are comparing apples to pears in here, AMD and Intel have different archs, AMD seems to have the winning hand over the old Intel arch due to the way you can overclock a 4 core or a 16 core to 4ghz without problems and Intel has to downclock their CPUs the more cores they get. So, High clocks are great, but It doesnt mean that much since the netburst era. **This is my opinion, and what I've seen with my current use case**

#5476284

nesty

2017-09-27 18:56

...Ryzen series processors built using a 12nm low-power (12LP)....

it is actually called 12nm leading-performance 😉

#5476285

DLD

2017-09-27 18:58

"AMD said it does not comment on products that have not been announced." Yet, the article is titled as "Announcing...". In terms of sheer stupidity, misleading, confusion and contradiction, AMD beats even Intel...

#5476290

4KShmoork

2017-09-27 19:08

Silva:

I'm sure many gamers/enthusiasts already did the switch. No, most people are faithful to a brand. Even if AMD would release the new CPU king of performance, people would still buy Intel.

Eh that goes both ways. Plenty of AMD fans bought $600+ Vega 64s. People will always buy what they want. I was pretty torn between a Ryzen and Skylake X (7820x) build but for a couple hundred more (compared to high end X370 board/1800X/3200MHz RAM), the 7820X build is in another tier of performance at 4.8GHz. Thats why I say enthusiasts are looking for that jack of all trades build. Strong single and multicore performance for gaming, editing, rendering, DAW use, etc. Ryzen is a great perf per dollar offering. If Ryzen had better single core perf and higher clocks, no question I would have Ryzen chip in my build.

#5476294

Calmmo

2017-09-27 19:13

If this ends up being improved as much as the fab process change suggests it might/can be, it's gonna be very hard to resist getting an 8core.

#5476301

kruno

2017-09-27 19:30

jose2016:

Will the current motherboards serve?

Yes

#5476303

kruno

2017-09-27 19:32

DLD:

"AMD said it does not comment on products that have not been announced." Yet, the article is titled as "Announcing...". In terms of sheer stupidity, misleading, confusion and contradiction, AMD beats even Intel...

Or maybe journalists just being themselves (LOOK HERE CLICK HERE):):):)

#5476312

Wasif Abbas

2017-09-27 19:44

Am I the only one who registered the new motherboards mentioned in this article. I thought the x370 and B350 will be supporting the future Zen upgrades as AMD promised to support this AM4 for the long haul.

#5476327

vonSternberg

2017-09-27 20:08

They should keep this in the down low and surprise Intel when they think they're ahead. Example: -This announcement never happens -Intel announces it's own 12nm due May 2018 -AMD releases it's own 12nm in March or something -Intel BTFO

#5476354

kruno

2017-09-27 21:24

Wasif Abbas:

Am I the only one who registered the new motherboards mentioned in this article. I thought the x370 and B350 will be supporting the future Zen upgrades as AMD promised to support this AM4 for the long haul.

They will support it,but AMD needs to throw a bone to mobo manufactures,hence new boards,i highly suspect they will bring anything new to the market.Think of it like situation that amd had recently with graphic cards,it needed to release something new so we had a case of nothing new just pure re brand (RX470->RX570 and RX480->RX580).I highly suspect this is some case (got no proof).

#5476356

kruno

2017-09-27 21:28

vonSternberg:

They should keep this in the down low and surprise Intel when they think they're ahead. Example: -This announcement never happens -Intel announces it's own 12nm due May 2018 -AMD releases it's own 12nm in March or something -Intel BTFO

According to the "leaks" i saw on internet,AMD is releasing new CPU's in February(different mobo manufactures all say 02/18)We shall see how it turns out (even if its late month or two)

#5476359

vonSternberg

2017-09-27 21:31

kruno:

According to the "leaks" i saw on internet,AMD is releasing new CPU's in February.

The dates were just an example, I'm clueless when it comes to release dates since I won't be able to buy any of the new stuff for a couple years 😀

#5476361

kruno

2017-09-27 21:34

vonSternberg:

The dates were just an example, I'm clueless when it comes to release dates since I won't be able to buy any of the new stuff for a couple years 😀

I am in same boat buddy,no new buy (until it becomes old,i just "upgraded" 6 months ago to AM3+):D:D:D

#5476365

JamesSneed

2017-09-27 21:43

As a current Ryzen owner the 7nm on the charts interests me most. I sure hope they can get a 7nm Ryzen out in 2019 that would be a perfect upgrade time 2 ish years after getting Ryzen.

#5476395

airbud7

2017-09-28 00:23

vonSternberg:

They should keep this in the down low and surprise Intel when they think they're ahead.

8700k train is gonna be running.....they will have to catch it first.

#5476424

varkkon

2017-09-28 03:04

Huh cool, sounds like AMD's CPU sector is crunching it at warp 10. I thought it be a year till the next CPU refreshes drop, very cool. Good stuff.