Will AMD be releasing any video cards for people wanting to play video games?

KissSh0t:

Will AMD be releasing any video cards for people wanting to play video games?

Only if you're okay with high end cards costing $1K+ USD, so like 1500 Euros, and $1500+ CAD (tax not included) because actual exchange rates are for non-criminals. AMD are out to make their share holders happy, the same as any other company. Share holders give 0 fucks about mindshare or future profits. They'd tank the company straight to hell if it means more profit RIGHT NOW. I'd be shocked if AMD released a good product at a reasonable price. I'm expecting best case to be $1K in the US and $1500 here for the double cut down 7900XT. I really wanted an upgrade, because I'm looking for 4K/120+, but if it's as bad as the precedent set by themselves last time and nGreedia now, I might just keep the same card for another 2 years. Every year someone is a doomsayer talking about how the PC gaming market is going to burn in hell, this time around if AMD don't have a reasonable release, I'll believe it.

Agonist:

Why are people so obsessed with 4k? Almost 10 years later with archaic 16:9.....

I can force Ultrawide AND go back to 16:9 for full frame cinema on my 4K OLED! That is why! I cannot see the top or bottom black bars at all on this screen!

4K isn't the sweet spot for me, I'm more about aspect ratio, 21:9 (3440x1440) is where it's at for me (watching a 2.35:1 movie and forcing it to 21:9 eliminates the black bars for that full WS movie experience). Ofc, I don't mind going full monty with 32:9 (5120x1440), but I'm gonna have to wait till one of my monitor gives up the ghost before I'd consider.

4K would be nice as it makes text look quite a bit nicer. However, I want about 160DPI for ultrawide and it's not even available yet. I expect AMD to still be behind in RT performance..

Neo Cyrus:

Only if you're okay with high end cards costing $1K+ USD, so like 1500 Euros, and $1500+ CAD (tax not included) because actual exchange rates are for non-criminals. AMD are out to make their share holders happy, the same as any other company. Share holders give 0 fucks about mindshare or future profits. They'd tank the company straight to hell if it means more profit RIGHT NOW. I'd be shocked if AMD released a good product at a reasonable price. I'm expecting best case to be $1K in the US and $1500 here for the double cut down 7900XT. I really wanted an upgrade, because I'm looking for 4K/120+, but if it's as bad as the precedent set by themselves last time and nGreedia now, I might just keep the same card for another 2 years. Every year someone is a doomsayer talking about how the PC gaming market is going to burn in hell, this time around if AMD don't have a reasonable release, I'll believe it.

i don't totally disagree with your greater point but i will point out that AMD will have significantly lower prices below 7900xt - which is not cut down. the cut down is the 7800xt. the real cocktail stirrer is the 7800xt. the 7800xt is positioned where Nvidia should have the "4070". the deal is this - AMD went and had the largest GPU wafer allocation in their history for RDNA 3. they were already positioned to have a real "shootout" with Nvidia before the economy went south. the vast majority of the wafers have already been fabbed for 7700xt and above. the 7700xt (being monolithic) provides cut-downs for at least the "7700" and the "7600". so the cards are already on the table with the only thing AMD (or Nvidia) can do is to move some of their allocated wafers to the lower end and delay the release. so in a few weeks AMD will be hard launching the top three cards. the 7900xt will get all of the press because of MCM and also that its price is going to be below the 4090. the real fun for enthusiast gamers will be the 7700xt and it will be where the 4070 is not. imho, i believe all three AMD cards (like the Nvidia) will perform at 4k. the 7700xt will be the least expensive and the most attractive to those playing 1440p competitively.

Valken:

I can force Ultrawide AND go back to 16:9 for full frame cinema on my 4K OLED! That is why! I cannot see the top or bottom black bars at all on this screen!

Well movies suck in 16:9, so ok.....

tunejunky:

i don't totally disagree with your greater point but i will point out that AMD will have significantly lower prices below 7900xt - which is not cut down. the cut down is the 7800xt...

From what I hear even the 7950XT might be slightly cut down, but I can almost guarantee you the 7900XT won't be the full nv31 die. Not unless plans have changed last second. And the top chip, which no one, not even the leaker channels seem to know of, is on ice, probably permanently... so nv31 is it. And I know no one here wants to believe it because MLID leaked it, but the "4080 12GB" is a 4060 and that's what they were originally going to name it.

Agonist:

Well movies suck in 16:9, so ok.....

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Neo Cyrus:

From what I hear even the 7950XT might be slightly cut down, but I can almost guarantee you the 7900XT won't be the full nv31 die. Not unless plans have changed last second. And the top chip, which no one, not even the leaker channels seem to know of, is on ice, probably permanently... so nv31 is it. And I know no one here wants to believe it because MLID leaked it, but the "4080 12GB" is a 4060 and that's what they were originally going to name it.

there is no projected 7950xt, there's only the binned 7900xtx there is the full fat Navi 31 for 7900xt - period the only cut-down for Navi 31 is 7800xt Navi 32 is 7800/7700xt/7700 (all between $450 and $900) Navi 33 is 7600xt

tunejunky:

there is no projected 7950xt, there's only the binned 7900xtx there is the full fat Navi 31 for 7900xt - period the only cut-down for Navi 31 is 7800xt Navi 32 is 7800/7700xt/7700 (all between $450 and $900) Navi 33 is 7600xt

Yeah I was going to update my post, apparently what I thought they were going to call the 7950XT will be the 7900XTX, names are not what I expected. As I said the nv31 is the top chip now, the previous top chip is canceled or at least on hold. There is a 10K-something shader nv31 coming, I'm not sure if that's going to be the 7900XT or the 7800XT, or if they're still going to cut down the 7900XT or leave it at 12.somethingK shaders.

tunejunky:

the silicon is already baked, processed, wafer-ized, and fabricated. the production run of Zen 4 is far larger than any gpu run by anybody at anytime. Zen43D will only be coming from one fab and that fab isn't compatible with gpu production (until they too go 3d cache). the production slots at this node aren't swappable as TSMC has plenty of other clients @ node. like Nvidia, Intel, Apple, Qualcomm, etc... which is one of the reasons Nvidia was crying in their beer. they had to pay the piper before the economy slowed and are stuck with the majority of production just like everyone else. AMD, Nvidia, Intel & co may be able to shave 10-15% off of committed runs but that's it.

From what i understand, you reserve wafer production. But they are not being taped out before a couple months of the expected delivery which has been paid way in advance (6 months, 1 year) They can perfectly take a 5nm production where they paid for wafer and say TSMC they want the RDNA 3 GPU chiplet instead of the Zen 4 CPU chiplet. nVidia was crying because they had no other product to tapeout maybe ? AMD should be able to tell TSMC the next order will be a RDNA 3 instead of a Zen 4 they planned at first. Until production has not really began, the "print design" should be swappable, no ? (as long as it was conceived for the same node)

RED.Misfit:

From what i understand, you reserve wafer production. But they are not being taped out before a couple months of the expected delivery which has been paid way in advance (6 months, 1 year) They can perfectly take a 5nm production where they paid for wafer and say TSMC they want the RDNA 3 GPU chiplet instead of the Zen 4 CPU chiplet. nVidia was crying because they had no other product to tapeout maybe ? AMD should be able to tell TSMC the next order will be a RDNA 3 instead of a Zen 4 they planned at first. Until production has not really began, the "print design" should be swappable, no ? (as long as it was conceived for the same node)

basically correct, but the shipping schedules are tied to the fab schedules. if AMD knew in advance then yes, but as of now the vast majority (60%+) of Zen 4 has been fabbed already with a large portion of that already sailing on the 7 seas. also RDNA 3 has mostly been fabbed already and has been shipped to AIB's. right now those gpus are being kitted out. the remaining cpus & gpus are the lower end yet to be released - and those RDNA 3 don't have chiplets.

tunejunky:

basically correct, but the shipping schedules are tied to the fab schedules. if AMD knew in advance then yes, but as of now the vast majority (60%+) of Zen 4 has been fabbed already with a large portion of that already sailing on the 7 seas. also RDNA 3 has mostly been fabbed already and has been shipped to AIB's. right now those gpus are being kitted out. the remaining cpus & gpus are the lower end yet to be released - and those RDNA 3 don't have chiplets.

Yes, so they are free to switch the current Zen 4 production to RDNA 3 (at least the models that use 5nm). I mean it is not like they only produce 1 batch of a product for launch and produce nothing for the 2 years that unravel until the next product. They keep producing each month to deliver new wave of products in the couple months that follow the beginning of the production. Meaning that the early next year products can be more RDNA 3 oriented than Zen 4 oriented IF they judge Zen 4 inventory need to be contain and that they have cards to play in GPU market. Ps : Also nVidia might have complained earlier this year and finally decided to produce more Hopper products than Ada ?

RED.Misfit:

Yes, so they are free to switch the current Zen 4 production to RDNA 3 (at least the models that use 5nm). I mean it is not like they only produce 1 batch of a product for launch and produce nothing for the 2 years that unravel until the next product. They keep producing each month to deliver new wave of products in the couple months that follow the beginning of the production. Meaning that the early next year products can be more RDNA 3 oriented than Zen 4 oriented IF they judge Zen 4 inventory need to be contain and that they have cards to play in GPU market. Ps : Also nVidia might have complained earlier this year and finally decided to produce more Hopper products than Ada ?

re: Nvidia... NOPE tsmc had no room at the inn. Nvidia had three production runs for Ampere/Hopper and recently one exclusively for Hopper. the Hopper sales are ramping up just as nvidia was reeling from overproduction, over-supply, and over pricing in the consumer realm. Nvidia is extremely lucky that the vast majority of the Instinct MI250X are pre-paid and going to Google, leaving near zero production to go into regular sales channels...which has juiced the demand for Hopper.

3d infinity cache pls