AMD's low powered APUs are something else. Mini-PC such as the Minisforum HX99G, or even the UM790 are powerhouses in disguise. The amount of performance they reach in such a small package is just mind-boggling.

Will we have a ps5 / xbox pro based on those with more CU of in the apu?

heffeque:

AMD's low powered APUs are something else. Mini-PC such as the Minisforum HX99G, or even the UM790 are powerhouses in disguise. The amount of performance they reach in such a small package is just mind-boggling.

Agreed. I would really like an ITX board with one of their mobile chips, a single M.2 slot, 2.5Gbps ethernet, a few USB ports, and a single PCIe 4.0 x16 slot. I don't care about anything else. The chipsets for AM5 are weirdly power hungry, and expensive.

asturur:

Will we have a ps5 / xbox pro based on those with more CU of in the apu?

Remember that the supply chain restrictions artificially limited sales of both companies up to this point, so they will want to milk the existing hardware for at least another year or two and do their first slim (eg increased profit) versions before they put out anything faster. They also have to be extra careful with the "pro" refreshes if they make major changes like moving to RDNA3. Sony risks pissing off everyone and hurting sales because their SDK is very much a bare metal approach and would require a game to be coded specifically for the new consoles (hence why their games have specific PS4 and PS5 versions). This both slows down game development because the studios must spend more time and money on the new silicon code, and it angers customers because if you want to get a game you have to buy copies for both the old and new console if you have both (maybe even 3 if you have a PS4 and still want to use it). Microsoft has a giant advantage here because they are able to just handwave big changes off because their "play anywhere" games allow you to just play the version you bought on any console you own to whatever level it's capable of thanks to them basically running Windows and using DirectX - developers just make one top end version and turn off features on older consoles to tune them like they would set up profiles on the PC.

If it's beating 9900k in games, I'm interested. Cinebench, I don't play 😉

Impressive what AMD is accomplishing in terms of performance/efficiency. I just wished, other manufacturers would support more AMD technologies, even if AMD is more efficient, things done by qucksync cant be replaced, things like transcoding on emby/plex, or using the gpu on blue iris, same on nx witness, friends says similar on Premier, etc.

abula:

Impressive what AMD is accomplishing in terms of performance/efficiency. I just wished, other manufacturers would support more AMD technologies, even if AMD is more efficient, things done by qucksync cant be replaced, things like transcoding on emby/plex, or using the gpu on blue iris, same on nx witness, friends says similar on Premier, etc.

I'm not sure what you mean. Emby/Plex can encode using AMD hardware without issues.

Slap this thing in a laptop for the same price as the Asus handheld and I would be all in. I am guessing it is a complete SOC with a super small PCB footprint, so plenty of space for battery and a good cooler and good SSD.

heffeque:

I'm not sure what you mean. Emby/Plex can encode using AMD hardware without issues.

I'm sure AMD CPUs can transcode with PLEX using software, but there is no support for AMD like there is with intel using hardware/iGPU/quicksync for transcoding, and its not AMD fault either, its just the way software is design, what i meant by my comment is that PLEX/EMBY should start supporting AMD embeded igpus to transcode the same way they do intel, to take advantage of this more efficient cpus. Which CPU is better suited for a Plex Server? AMD 5600G or Intel 8700k?

Intel CPUs. Anything from the 8th gen and above. Why 8th gen? Because built-in iGPU supports HW transcoding for all Plex-supported codecs. AMD CPUs are not officially supported, and currently, they cannot offer the same level of performance.

Hardware transcoding doesn't work with AMD GPUs but the CPU is more than powerful enough to handle multiple 1080p transcodes.

Intel chip all the way. With Intel if needed you can take advantage of the build in GPU for HW transcoding. This can't be done with the AMD chip and you can't take advantage of this. For you basic setup either is probably fine but you will have more options to future proof the Intel chip.

Intel without a doubt, and it isn't even close. It has Quicksync, which makes it a transcoding God. It could literally transcode 4K and HDR tone map several streams at once (with Plex Pass + Linux) and won't bat an eye. The AMD would be melting. Quicksync is, in my opinion, the only way to go with a Plex server.

Well... sorry about that, I use Emby instead of Plex and assumed that Plex was just as powerful as Emby, but I see it's not the case. Both Emby and Jellyfin (alternatives to Plex) can hardware transcode using AMD GPUs, so the issue is totally on Plex's part. Emby: https://emby.media/support/articles/Hardware-Acceleration-Overview.html Jellyfin: https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/administration/hardware-acceleration/ Just as a heads up, both Emby and Jellyfin are working on having AV1 hardware acceleration added for GPUs that have the capability. I'm pretty sure Plex is busy adding features that nobody wants instead of improving what really matters.

now if AMD can work on jamming a properly powerful graphics solution into it they'd be able to rule the handheld market. Though I suppose they already do as Intel has no real competitor on the graphics side but it would be nice to see more graphics prowess. Still I have taking a liking to my Steam Deck and it's got less horsepower than the Z1E.

heffeque:

Well... sorry about that, I use Emby instead of Plex and assumed that Plex was just as powerful as Emby, but I see it's not the case. Both Emby and Jellyfin (alternatives to Plex) can hardware transcode using AMD GPUs, so the issue is totally on Plex's part. Emby: https://emby.media/support/articles/Hardware-Acceleration-Overview.html Jellyfin: https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/administration/hardware-acceleration/ Just as a heads up, both Emby and Jellyfin are working on having AV1 hardware acceleration added for GPUs that have the capability. I'm pretty sure Plex is busy adding features that nobody wants instead of improving what really matters.

Im glad to see it in your case it work out with AMD iGPUs. But to me its not just PLEX, for example Blue Iris also offloads to intel igpus, you can run a on much lower cpu if it has quck sync. You can still run Blue iris fine with AMD, just it does it with software not hardware. Same is the situation with Nx Witness, another camera software. I also have friends that say it intels its much smother on premier having quicksync. etc. What im trying to say, its not that intel is better, i do think AMD now a days have better designs, but we need software manufacturers to support AMD igpus and their techs to compete fully.

abula:

but we need software manufacturers to support AMD igpus and their techs to compete fully.

That is the core issue. I'm sure AMD is partly to blame, but if software companies are not adding anything other than quicksync... I'm assuming that companies check what most of their customers have, and do the the bare minimum. Either way I've read that Blue Iris runs better without quicksync due to software quirks that haven't been fixed in years, so in the end there's not much of an advantage on Intel side there. Then there's the other way around, DaVinci Resolve only supports hardware acceleration on both AMD and nVidia, not on Intel.