barbacot:

You understand that this is an "enthusiast" forum for people passionate about technologies so these discussions are normal??? It's not a supermarket forum...

I had no idea, lucky you were here to clear that up...

barbacot:

My pascal gamer friend it is safe to drop the leather jacket now!

Well, I think that if you are the one to make a joke, it's funny - but if Linus makes the same joke about a middle-aged man who wears a leather jacket...in the kitchen...in the summer...then, it really has run its course. Besides, My turing gamer pal; having LJJ say things like travelling through time and space together with holodecks, I think that kinda nullifies any derived humour from a middle-aged 'stocky' man of short statue wearing a leather jacket in the kitchen in the summer 🙂

Loobyluggs:

but if Linus makes the same joke about a middle-aged man who wears a leather jacket...in the kitchen...in the summer...then, it really has run its course.

Lol!

Funny its 50-50 in 4K gaming in their leak.In 4 games RX6000 obliterate much heavy priced RTX 3090. Official from AMD. https://www.amd.com/en/gaming/graphics-gaming-benchmarks https://i.redd.it/9wz7mkptf9w51.jpg System Configuration CPU AMD Ryzen 9 5900X System Memory 16GB DDR4-3200MHz Motherboard X570 Reference Platform System BIOS RQ21082B - AMD Smart Access Memory enabled OS Win10 Pro x64 19041.508 Radeon Driver Version 20.45-201013n GeForce Driver Version 456.71 [SPOILER="Bench 1440p"] https://i.redd.it/yjtf49wjg9w51.jpg [/SPOILER]

Loobyluggs:

Besides, My turing gamer pal...

;)

Fox2232:

Important thing is that cards scale up fps at 1440p as well as nVidia's having much wider memory bus. And that means IC works. Now, let's see how far it gets cards at 1080p. I wonder how many games RX 6800 can push to stable 240fps at 1080p. Images show that RX 6000 are capable to deliver such fps. Now it is up to RX 6800 to cut through 1080p and CPU limitation.

And don't forget that Amp(wh)ere uses faster GDDR6X...

I really like that 6800xt. That will be in my 5800x/5900x system I build early 2021.

Astyanax:

the fact AMD took these 30 series numbers themselves on AMD cpu's and that they don't correlate to anyone in the review press, means i have bad news for AMD when nvidia rolls out r460 which has Ampere scaling fixed on Zen. 😎

These are benchmarks done with Zen 3, not yet released. Obviously numbers don't match to the press.

There are a few things that would scare me about buying an AMD card instead of 30x0 card - mostly software and not hardware based. Last AMD card was 7990 dual GPU card and I had awful trouble with the drivers and constantly trying to uninstall/reinstall to fix various problems with utilisation of GPUs, so scared of the AMD software suite, I always though the NVidia drivers and software were superior - and that is just from experience going back and forth between both companies over last 20 years. I am more worried about loss of actual productivity functionality more than gaming related. I use the Nvidia NVENC encoder as main hardware off loader to encode stream in Twitch - do not want to use CPU encoder and slow games frame-rate. What is AMD equivalent to NVENC which also works with all productivity software that normally only uses NVENC? I also use the NVidia hardware capabilities for Adobe Premiere and video encoding and other real-time processing during editing - if you change to AMD, you lose all that real-time functionality and speedups. There are some other third party graphics related software which is only hardware accelerated using NVidia hardware and their software driver APIs. Do not want to lose all that just for a few unnoticeable FPS gains in some games.

68 gets smashed in RT off the 2080 Ti, some SOTTR benchies out, at 1440p with RT on, it gets 46fps, the Ti (@ same settings) gets 61fps, so its a good job no ones interested in RT 😛

well we all know that eventually RTX 3080Ti is gonna come and swipe the charts

stefpats:

well we all know that eventually RTX 3080Ti is gonna come and swipe the charts

Its gonna be slower than 3090. What swiping are you talking about?

mikegray:

Are there any FPS comparisons showing the nvidia cards with DLSS 2.0 turned on?? I just assume it isn't, and that seems like a problem to me. THOSE are the numbers I want to see.

Well like you said, that's not an apples to apples comparison. Of course Nvidia is going to surge ahead with DLSS on - the entire purpose of that is to sacrifice minimal detail for better performance at higher resolutions. By that logic, why not just disable AA for only one of the brands? That too is sacrificing visual quality for a performance gain.

2) AMD is working on an alternative, so if they're going to compare their cards to DLSS 2.0, they want their own Super Resolution up and running. That would be TOTALLY fair - only SR doesn't really seem to exist yet and DLSS 2.0 does, so ... yeah.

Last I heard, they are working on an alternative.

But I also have a lot of doubts about how easy it will be for AMD to duplicate DLSS 2.0 and get games supporting it. I'm rooting for them, but nvidia is pretty good at that AI stuff, and it still took them a long time and two iterations.

I too have my doubts. AMD was rather blindsided with DLSS, which is no easy feat. Despite Nvidia having plenty of time to work on it, their first iteration didn't impress. It does now. AMD isn't exactly known for good drivers (on Windows; their Linux drivers are fantastic) so it could be a while until they have a noteworthy response.

stefpats:

well we all know that eventually RTX 3080Ti is gonna come and swipe the charts

How? The 6900XT is already looking to be pretty competitive against the 3090, and it wouldn't make sense to release a 3080Ti that's faster than the 3090. I do think a 3080Ti will exist, just, maybe not the chart-sweeper you expect it to be.

Rich_Guy:

68 gets smashed in RT off the 2080 Ti, some SOTTR benchies out, at 1440p with RT on, it gets 46fps, the Ti (@ same settings) gets 61fps, so its a good job no ones interested in RT 😛

There seems to be a lot of disagreement about these benchmarks on reddit. Wait for reviews.

Man... I am seeing wrong or the 6800 (non XT) is faster then the 3080?!?!?! This is relly great! Now, AMD just to work hard on RT performance and drivers to get back on the battle! A setup with a Ryzen 5600 and this 6800 with a 16GB DDR4 3600 CL14 will be very cool system to play everthing maxed out at a great cost

Is not that i don´t trust AMD´s numbers but i prefer to wait for Hilbert´s reviews before making any conclusions. Still, the cards look good.

H83:

Is not that i don´t trust AMD´s numbers but i prefer to wait for Hilbert´s reviews before making any conclusions. Still, the cards look good.

I hope Hilbert uses a AM4 Zen3 and a z490 system with the reviews coming soon until we establish conclusively which is the better gaming platform.

Video from JimRPG, taking the RAGE mode and SAM differences off the slides, puts the 6900 XT equal with the 3090, 5 wins each. [youtube=HpHwxWE-KuA]

geogan:

I am more worried about loss of actual productivity functionality more than gaming related.

It's obviously that if you use a lot of software that is only optimised for Nvidia, you haven't got a choice and only need to pray Nvidia will remain competitive. Right now it's obviously very competitive and it's hard to imagine that changing. Nvidia didn't slow down R&D even when AMD seemed to fall behind, unlike Intel, which was extremely quick to do it. Of course you could also contact Adobe and encourage them to support AMD hardware in the future. You never know with these ancient software companies, they might not have even noticed that AMD has good hardware these days.

Loobyluggs:

As for the leather jackets...I think the time has come for me to retire that joke. I realised this when Linus Tech Tips began talking about 'LJJ' in an attempt to be funny...and I think that is when I saw the joke in the same light as my fellow gurus. It's not funny any more, and I'm sorry to all for talking about leather jackets for the last decade or so...and you can thank Linus Tech Tips for this, because seeing him say it whilst grinning was ugly as hell 🙁

Alas, I don't watch videos from the secondary Linus, so I didn't even realise the joke is so worn out (unlike the jacket itself). Although Jensen quite clearly made the jacket his trademark on purpose, so it's only half a joke at best.

Kaarme:

What happens to the numbers when you turn RT on? That's another question. Nvidia has invested far more in RT, though I reckon Nvidia might be a little disappointed by the gamers' general reaction to it, which ought to be far less enthusiastic than Mr. Leather Jacket's. Nvidia could have made the 3000 series more powerful in traditional work if they hadn't improved the RT side as much as they did, I imagine, though I'm no expert. It remains to be seen how powerful, exactly, the AMD RT is.

I have a feeling that the one aspect that 3000 series gonna be definetaly better than big navi, is RT performance. But I barely see anybody who's giving a F about it, as it's just gives a "meh" graphical improvement at the cost of a LOT of fps, and there are still only a couple of titles which utilizes this tech

I just want real reviews for both Zen 3 and RDNA 2. AMD, when? especially, Zen 3?