Aura89:

That's what they were the first gen as well.

Okay cool.... And thanks because I thought I was totally missing something there.

Kaarme:

You are funny. When I built this Skylake PC, I couldn't get my system to post succesfully with a full ram set, I only got to bios by using half of it. After a bios update I could use the full set, but mem test produced an error after an error with the full set, though half of it worked either way. I needed to take the RAM set back to the store and get another model. Intel isn't magically free of problems. In fact it even has errors barely manageable, like the Meltdown and Spectre, when fixed giving you less performance than you paid for. But I guess that's one kind of a bam as well.

Yeah, I remember having plenty of problems with my Haswell system as well. For some reason my RAM was unstable with a half set; a single stick was perfectly stable but inserting the other one would produce constant problems (and it wasn't even overclocked). Like you, I ultimately swapped them out for another model, which then worked perfectly. I've certainly had my share of issues with my Ryzen system but it's not something that's unique to AMD, especially for a brand new platform. Currently, all my Ryzen PCs are running great.

Fox2232:

Freaking hell. 2800U, it is likely mobile APU. I wonder if it has better clock or more nCUs.

Yes, it is very probably a mobile chip. Seeing as the 2700U is 4c/8t, I doubt the 2800U is going to have more than 6c/12t. I'm sure it has more GPU cores. It seems for now, AMD is prioritizing mobile for the better GPUs. I suppose this makes sense, since it's a more competitive market that they traditionally had very little strength in.

I'm glad that AMD is giving INTEL a run for it's money. What people have said it true - what would have happened if AMD packed it in? Intel would have all the market share. Very similar to Microsoft. To bring out a consumer grade 8C/16T CPU that OC's well and is cheaper than the 8700K and faster in most respects, except single core is a great achievement. In AUS a 2700X is $40-$50 cheaper than the 8700K. Although I'm quite happy with my system at the moment, and am not planning on upgrading for 5 or 6 years, but when I do, I will probably - if the current trend continues, would definitely consider going AMD over Intel. My current system is intel, only because at the time of purchase, AMD did not have anything competitive. I'd LOVE to get my hands on a 2700X, but as I said, for me, my current system does what I need it to do, so there is no point upgrading until I need too, I'd just be wasting my money and for my purposes, not see an increase in performance. I hope that the success that AMD is having with their Ryzen CPU's that they can do the same to NVIDIA and bring out GPU's that are competitive I.E. Same or better performance for less dollars. I always had AMD GPU's . My last AMD GPU was the hd7990 xfire and it did me for 5 years before I upgraded to NVIDIA GTX 1080 SLI. This is the first NVIDIA GPU I have ever had before then every single gpu I owned was amd. I would go back to an AMD card(s) if, as I said they can match or beat NVIDIA for performance and price. I hope that people keep supporting AMD and their products, congrats on the comeback AMD.

anub1s18:

crysis only uses 1 core so once that's tapped out your crap outa luck again.

Overstate much?? All the Crysis games run perfectly on my Ryzen 1800X w GTX 1060 at max settings. How am I "crap out of luck"? Think about it: as such a demanding gamer, and so reliant on CPU power, why haven't you upgraded already? Because Intel was screwing you with measly gains each year! Now, finally, they have to get moving and you are going to reward... Intel? Or AMD, who have now fully delivered a miracle line of chips that easily best Intel on average and cost less!! That this comparatively tiny competitor could even do that should tell you how much Intel was lagging!! Get a clue. AMD doesn't run on air. They desperately need sales and they've given us every reason to choose their stuff when at all possible. To niggle about a few FPS in some CPU-bound game is selfish and short-sighted. If you're ready to upgrade, go with AMD this time at least. It's obviously going to be a good choice technically and even more obviously a good choice in the big picture. How hard is it for people to understand this?

Irenicus:

supreme commander forged alliance, using max 2 threads to calculate up to 8000 units movement path's and combat etc so that is a game where a 5GHZ cpu would likely dropkick a 4GHZ one simply because it's limited to 2 threads.

Considering the only information about supreme commander forged alliance and ryzen seems to be from people being "worried" about its lower frequency potentially being a problem, whereas people who actually have ryzen are saying they have great FPS no matter the situation (in supreme commander forged alliance), it seems your "worry" is only that, "worry", rather then reality.

wavetrex:

TR 2950x .... .... I'm having an orgasm.

don't worry, i have extra towels 😱 😱 😱 buddy, i'm there with you (mentally);)

Intel has a "storyteller in chief". for real, i know him personally. i'm going to AMD today (1 AMD Place) to meet with friends for lunch. normally this office is all cubicle-world, but if they have any show-and-tell i'll let you know.

Irenicus:

You can't but plenty of us can (recommend it). And no it's not really a no brainer. Well it is, but in intel's favour, if you're a gamer at least. Ryzen simply have such limitations on core speed and gaming performance and issues with memory (even Zen + has seen these issues, every single reviewer out there has been proving this) - where as intel you simply put your system together, overclock it and bam, it works. I'm no intel fanboy, however AMD still have some catching up to do. There are even content creators who PREFER to use AMD who have had to switch back to Intel due to issues (go on youtube and check Hardware Canucks). So, YOU may not recommend Intel, but the rest of us do. And no, they (Intel) haven't dropped the ball, or any other spherical object, but granted AMD is starting to catch up. They need to iron out all the issues Zen+ is still facing and then they might actually be the way to go for gamers and content creators alike

I think that is more of an Adobe issue than AMD's. Moreover, as in games, some release software favouring one platform that the other, just to gain sales and followers. But I could me wrong, though.

maikai:

Some of you may have seen me mention in previous posts that I am starting to piece together a new build. I have been torn between the latest Ryzen and the 8700K. Some of you pointed out the fact of what Intel has been doing over the years. So I have finally decided I am going with AMD this round based on that since the differences are much more minimal then they have been in the past. I honestly don't upgrade but like once every 5-7 years now. Now my question is, should I go with the current latest Ryzen, or should I wait for one of these? I am hoping to build by July. Thanks everyone

Current 2000 series should be fine, either the 6 core or 8 core will last you years.

maikai:

Some of you may have seen me mention in previous posts that I am starting to piece together a new build. I have been torn between the latest Ryzen and the 8700K. Some of you pointed out the fact of what Intel has been doing over the years. So I have finally decided I am going with AMD this round based on that since the differences are much more minimal then they have been in the past. I honestly don't upgrade but like once every 5-7 years now. Now my question is, should I go with the current latest Ryzen, or should I wait for one of these? I am hoping to build by July. Thanks everyone

idk where you are but the X version ($20 more) is in the stores now. and..$20 for better clocks and getting it a month or two earlier = win.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M-bXV5vw4FqUt4AKDhkmfK5j8SwxHxCh/view?usp=sharing AMD yesterday...got some fun stuff but i can't show pictures or attribute because of policy. let's just say... Woo Hoo!