amd locking oc on their $450 flagship gaming cpu would be just hilarious to see,for the amount of people who chose am4 to upgrade it because of its value and ability of overclock.
Not true for all chips.
12900K OC is pretty substantial.
2C = 5.6ghz
4c = 5.5Ghz,
6c = 5.4GHz,
8c = 5.3Ghz.
That's definitely a leap above the stock 5.2 single core and 4.8ghz all core boost.
It is worth the trouble for me and many others, but not everyone cares to OC which is fine.
I think on these forums we see different groups of people, maybe those just interested in the gaming, those the technical side and maybe those who are into custom builds and 'tinkering'. It stand to reason that they all see different priorities and therefore disagree hugely on most things, the teddy throwing battle over 3090 value for money views on another part of the forum is a classic example.
I loved pushing my first C2Ds to crazy speeds, fine tuning the BIOS settings and bolting on Delta fans but those days are gone, i would love that my 3700x was more clockable but to be honest im moved more into case modding andf gaming now so undervolting to 4.3ghz and pushing my GPU (for 4k 32" screen) fulfils my tinkering urges.
Regarding your 12900k OC, are you seeing much real world performance improvement, id assume on productivity software but what about games, or is it just the sense of achievement when you nail a stable OC.
Not true for all chips.
12900K OC is pretty substantial.
2C = 5.6ghz
4c = 5.5Ghz,
6c = 5.4GHz,
8c = 5.3Ghz.
That's definitely a leap above the stock 5.2 single core and 4.8ghz all core boost.
It is worth the trouble for me and many others, but not everyone cares to OC which is fine.
But is the same for the 12700K or its only 12900K due to binning?
But is the same for the 12700K or its only 12900K due to binning?
The 12900k for sure Isa better bin , that does not mean a 12700 can not do the same in the end of the day oc on specific CPUs it is never guarantee you might get a supper sayan sample you might get a mr.satan sample (dear lord I am too old to still love dragon ball !)
Some interesting comments above.
It is true that overclocking headroom is massively reduced from the good old days, but the standard 5800X can do 4.85Ghz out of the box single core and even with a small 100-150Mhz manual overclock that is still 10% more than this new chip will be able to do.
Can the extra cache more than make up the difference and in how many applications ? And is the difference noticeable enough for the extra cash for cache ?
Really looking forward to the review.
PS I think from memory the first cpu to be able to do a 50% overclock was the Intel 300Mhz Celeron which could go up to 450Mhz if you changed the bus speed from 66 to 100Mhz .... the beer over all the years might make that wrong though 🙂
Not true for all chips.
12900K OC is pretty substantial.
2C = 5.6ghz
4c = 5.5Ghz,
6c = 5.4GHz,
8c = 5.3Ghz.
That's definitely a leap above the stock 5.2 single core and 4.8ghz all core boost.
It is worth the trouble for me and many others, but not everyone cares to OC which is fine.
is in best cases scenario a 10% of extra performance, not sure i would define it a leap or substantial.
And you probably got lucky with the sample and getting substantial heat out of it.
Is this with avx512 on or off?
PS I think from memory the first cpu to be able to do a 50% overclock was the Intel 300Mhz Celeron which could go up to 450Mhz if you changed the bus speed from 66 to 100Mhz .... the beer over all the years might make that wrong though 🙂
The E6300 could get from 1.8ghz to over 2.5ghz back in the day.
The E6300 could get from 1.8ghz to over 2.5ghz back in the day.
When I needed a budget system I got myself an E2180, managed to push it from 2GHz to 2.8GHz (I think it could have gone higher but the motherboard couldn't push its FSB any higher).
Later I had a Q6600 that I pushed to 3.6GHz from its base of 2.4GHz with an X38 motherboard, those were fun times.
My 2500k Sandybridge, that was on air also believe it or not. Ambient was -5C from memory.
Note Food porn is mainly pictures of cooking .. don't get too excited 😀
My 2500k Sandybridge, that was on air also believe it or not. Ambient was -5C from memory.
Note Food porn is mainly pictures of cooking .. don't get too excited 😀
Wowza thats a decent OC, my 2700k is still in its MOBO and waiting for me to add my old 1080Ti, has been running at 5ghz since i got it.
In general the better the boost algorithms and binning got ... The more they almost killed oc nowdays ... Man the last oc I really enjoyed was an i7 920 for a friend he was complaining it is slow and wanted to get a 4xxx series instead we dropped a Mugen 3 on top of it and got that puppy to 3.8ghz from 2.6 . I am pretty sure it could get to 4 or 4.1 easy but I did not wanted to push vcore a lot since he was not tech savvy and I wanted my head clear. But man was so much fun !
mackintosh:
It doesn't matter if you get 0%, 1% or 20% out of it. Disabling overclocking on what purports to be an enthusiast-halo product is baffling.
Not true for all chips.
12900K OC is pretty substantial.
2C = 5.6ghz
4c = 5.5Ghz,
6c = 5.4GHz,
8c = 5.3Ghz.
That's definitely a leap above the stock 5.2 single core and 4.8ghz all core boost.
It is worth the trouble for me and many others, but not everyone cares to OC which is fine.
We can still overclock some CPUs but the gains are pretty modest, and we need to apply lots of voltage for that extra speed, only possible with the most expensive coolers.
Doesn´t seem worth to me but i can understand those who think otherwise.
pegasus1:
The E6300 could get from 1.8ghz to over 2.5ghz back in the day.
That line of CPUs was composed of amazing overclockers.
I had an E6400 oced to 3.5ghz and later a Q9550 oced to 4.0ghz.
Now my E7600K hits 5.0ghz but the boost value is already 4.6ghz...
Since getting my 3900X in August 2019, I have not really OC it, I prefer to UV and set clock at 4.35Ghz. System is fast enough for my odd Handbrake encoding usage, and gaming.
I might make the leap to a 5950X latter on, used or brand new, as I don't really need anything faster than what I have now for my usage scenario. My X570 mobo would be my last platform and will have to see me thru the next few years of usage.
I wonder if going for 3X l3 cache instead of 2X is the problem?
I would imagine that if AMD released an 8, 12 and 16 core variant with 2X the l3 cache, improved silicon, at least the same base frequency and overclocking enabled they would have a relatively well received product.
As things stand right now it kind of feels like a soft cancellation and that AMD themselves want you to just move on to Zen 4.
Not true for all chips.
12900K OC is pretty substantial.
2C = 5.6ghz
4c = 5.5Ghz,
6c = 5.4GHz,
8c = 5.3Ghz.
That's definitely a leap above the stock 5.2 single core and 4.8ghz all core boost.
It is worth the trouble for me and many others, but not everyone cares to OC which is fine.
If those numbers are true and it is coolable by a regular 360 watercooler, that chip is in the top 1% of chips in the world.
Der8auer payed 1400€ for a prebinned super chip that has a max of 5.2 all core at 97 degrees, so I would sell him your sample if he is ready to pay that much for the one he has.
Even so with this super chip your overclock is still lower % then my conservatively overclocked and aircooled Ryzen 1700 from 3000 to 3700 Mhz, watercooling or more fan speed could give me 100-200 Mhz extra if it was worth it.
If those numbers are true and it is coolable by a regular 360 watercooler, that chip is in the top 1% of chips in the world.
Der8auer payed 1400€ for a prebinned super chip that has a max of 5.2 all core at 97 degrees, so I would sell him your sample if he is ready to pay that much for the one he has.
Even so with this super chip your overclock is still lower % then my conservatively overclocked and aircooled Ryzen 1700 from 3000 to 3700 Mhz, watercooling or more fan speed could give me 100-200 Mhz extra if it was worth it.
My chip is above average but not super special.
Have a check at OCN alder lake thread and you will see many people running the same setups.
I've seen people running 5.8/5.6/5.5/5.4 too just depends on how much voltage you want to run.
Alder lake is very tuneable for daily use, gone are the days of just setting an all core frequency and leaving it at that.
Note Food porn is mainly pictures of cooking .. don't get too excited 😀