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Tesla Autopilot gets its first speeding ticket
Haha, ahem. Extensive 16 minute test drive of the new Autopilot software version 7 from Tesla. They even got pulled over by the FHP, Florida Highway Patrol because the autopilot was speeding, 75MPH in a 60MPH zone.
They test the car out on the city streets, open highway and bumper to bumper traffic in Miami.
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#5175795 Posted on: 10/21/2015 10:05 AM
12:43 he explains why.
12:43 he explains why.
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#5175823 Posted on: 10/21/2015 12:07 PM
I believe when the Tesla Auto-Pilot is released, they should be responsible for speeding tickets or traffic violations fines. If you think about it makes sense.
And possible even(hopefully would be none) accidents.
I believe when the Tesla Auto-Pilot is released, they should be responsible for speeding tickets or traffic violations fines. If you think about it makes sense.
And possible even(hopefully would be none) accidents.
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#5175830 Posted on: 10/21/2015 12:24 PM
I believe when the Tesla Auto-Pilot is released, they should be responsible for speeding tickets or traffic violations fines. If you think about it makes sense.
And possible even(hopefully would be none) accidents.
Nah, ultimately the driver is responsible as they should take manual control if they see a violation or something. Putting the responsibility on the manufacturer would open up all kinds of weird legal issues.
Anyway, is this system powered by Nvidia's Drive PX? I know they use Nvidia for the entertainment cluster and traffic avoidance/auto braking but I don't think they've ever came out and said who is behind the auto-pilot.
I believe when the Tesla Auto-Pilot is released, they should be responsible for speeding tickets or traffic violations fines. If you think about it makes sense.
And possible even(hopefully would be none) accidents.
Nah, ultimately the driver is responsible as they should take manual control if they see a violation or something. Putting the responsibility on the manufacturer would open up all kinds of weird legal issues.
Anyway, is this system powered by Nvidia's Drive PX? I know they use Nvidia for the entertainment cluster and traffic avoidance/auto braking but I don't think they've ever came out and said who is behind the auto-pilot.
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#5175852 Posted on: 10/21/2015 12:55 PM
Auto-pilot (for cars) and self-driving cars are 2 most awful ideas car industry came up with (well, after deciding to burn the hell lots of oil).
There are issues even with modern flight autopilots... we have only 10000-15000 flights in the air (at the same time) in the whole world, and still we get incidents.
And now we have 1.2 billion cars in the world... all of them on the ground. At the same time. Now do the math.
I do not believe, that until humanity comes up with real AI, any car autopilot can be made safe enough.
Once the number of such cars starts to grow, deaths will follow.
Auto-pilot (for cars) and self-driving cars are 2 most awful ideas car industry came up with (well, after deciding to burn the hell lots of oil).
There are issues even with modern flight autopilots... we have only 10000-15000 flights in the air (at the same time) in the whole world, and still we get incidents.
And now we have 1.2 billion cars in the world... all of them on the ground. At the same time. Now do the math.
I do not believe, that until humanity comes up with real AI, any car autopilot can be made safe enough.
Once the number of such cars starts to grow, deaths will follow.
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#5175861 Posted on: 10/21/2015 01:27 PM
Auto-pilot (for cars) and self-driving cars are 2 most awful ideas car industry came up with (well, after deciding to burn the hell lots of oil).
There are issues even with modern flight autopilots... we have only 10000-15000 flights in the air (at the same time) in the whole world, and still we get incidents.
And now we have 1.2 billion cars in the world... all of them on the ground. At the same time. Now do the math.
I do not believe, that until humanity comes up with real AI, any car autopilot can be made safe enough.
Once the number of such cars starts to grow, deaths will follow.
It's a terrible idea as long as there are other cars on the road that do not have the same tech. If the cars in auto-pilot can't talk to each other and know what the other is going to do its going to be a disaster.
Of course that will never happen either because each company will have their own proprietary software.
Auto-pilot (for cars) and self-driving cars are 2 most awful ideas car industry came up with (well, after deciding to burn the hell lots of oil).
There are issues even with modern flight autopilots... we have only 10000-15000 flights in the air (at the same time) in the whole world, and still we get incidents.
And now we have 1.2 billion cars in the world... all of them on the ground. At the same time. Now do the math.
I do not believe, that until humanity comes up with real AI, any car autopilot can be made safe enough.
Once the number of such cars starts to grow, deaths will follow.
It's a terrible idea as long as there are other cars on the road that do not have the same tech. If the cars in auto-pilot can't talk to each other and know what the other is going to do its going to be a disaster.
Of course that will never happen either because each company will have their own proprietary software.
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#5175866 Posted on: 10/21/2015 01:34 PM
It's a terrible idea as long as there are other cars on the road that do not have the same tech. If the cars in auto-pilot can't talk to each other and know what the other is going to do its going to be a disaster.
Of course that will never happen either because each company will have their own proprietary software.
I fail to understand how a self-driving car is a terrible idea if there are human drivers around it. At worst it would be about the same as a human; I can't fathom how it's worse, someone explain this garbage.
It's a terrible idea as long as there are other cars on the road that do not have the same tech. If the cars in auto-pilot can't talk to each other and know what the other is going to do its going to be a disaster.
Of course that will never happen either because each company will have their own proprietary software.
I fail to understand how a self-driving car is a terrible idea if there are human drivers around it. At worst it would be about the same as a human; I can't fathom how it's worse, someone explain this garbage.
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#5175867 Posted on: 10/21/2015 01:34 PM
Auto-pilot (for cars) and self-driving cars are 2 most awful ideas car industry came up with (well, after deciding to burn the hell lots of oil).
There are issues even with modern flight autopilots... we have only 10000-15000 flights in the air (at the same time) in the whole world, and still we get incidents.
And now we have 1.2 billion cars in the world... all of them on the ground. At the same time. Now do the math.
I do not believe, that until humanity comes up with real AI, any car autopilot can be made safe enough.
Once the number of such cars starts to grow, deaths will follow.
Planes can't stop.
How many aviation fatalities are caused each year directly by auto-pilot failure? How many lives were saved indirectly due to pilot error that never occurred?
Will deaths in car autopilot systems occur? Maybe, probably. Will the number of deaths be less than human error? Definitely. is it morally acceptable that the computer will eventually fail resulting in death, but overall car safety is higher? I think it is.
Google has what, 1,000,000 self driving miles on their Lexus fleet, with only 14 accidents, none of the fault of the system. That seems pretty good.
Auto-pilot (for cars) and self-driving cars are 2 most awful ideas car industry came up with (well, after deciding to burn the hell lots of oil).
There are issues even with modern flight autopilots... we have only 10000-15000 flights in the air (at the same time) in the whole world, and still we get incidents.
And now we have 1.2 billion cars in the world... all of them on the ground. At the same time. Now do the math.
I do not believe, that until humanity comes up with real AI, any car autopilot can be made safe enough.
Once the number of such cars starts to grow, deaths will follow.
Planes can't stop.
How many aviation fatalities are caused each year directly by auto-pilot failure? How many lives were saved indirectly due to pilot error that never occurred?
Will deaths in car autopilot systems occur? Maybe, probably. Will the number of deaths be less than human error? Definitely. is it morally acceptable that the computer will eventually fail resulting in death, but overall car safety is higher? I think it is.
Google has what, 1,000,000 self driving miles on their Lexus fleet, with only 14 accidents, none of the fault of the system. That seems pretty good.
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#5175874 Posted on: 10/21/2015 02:04 PM
Planes can't stop.
How many aviation fatalities are caused each year directly by auto-pilot failure? How many lives were saved indirectly due to pilot error that never occurred?
Will deaths in car autopilot systems occur? Maybe, probably. Will the number of deaths be less than human error? Definitely. is it morally acceptable that the computer will eventually fail resulting in death, but overall car safety is higher? I think it is.
Google has what, 1,000,000 self driving miles on their Lexus fleet, with only 14 accidents, none of the fault of the system. That seems pretty good.
So what you're saying is that it's not even one in a million?
That's better than Luke Skywalker...
Planes can't stop.
How many aviation fatalities are caused each year directly by auto-pilot failure? How many lives were saved indirectly due to pilot error that never occurred?
Will deaths in car autopilot systems occur? Maybe, probably. Will the number of deaths be less than human error? Definitely. is it morally acceptable that the computer will eventually fail resulting in death, but overall car safety is higher? I think it is.
Google has what, 1,000,000 self driving miles on their Lexus fleet, with only 14 accidents, none of the fault of the system. That seems pretty good.
So what you're saying is that it's not even one in a million?
That's better than Luke Skywalker...
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#5175890 Posted on: 10/21/2015 02:37 PM
If the cars in auto-pilot can't talk to each other and know what the other is going to do its going to be a disaster.
Of course that will never happen either because each company will have their own proprietary software.
I'd be willing to be that any self driving car will have to be able to talk to each other if they want to get these things en mass onto any road, the talking to each other thing is pretty much the idea which makes these cars safer than humans.
If the cars in auto-pilot can't talk to each other and know what the other is going to do its going to be a disaster.
Of course that will never happen either because each company will have their own proprietary software.
I'd be willing to be that any self driving car will have to be able to talk to each other if they want to get these things en mass onto any road, the talking to each other thing is pretty much the idea which makes these cars safer than humans.
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#5175891 Posted on: 10/21/2015 02:40 PM
Why?
A computer can make a better decision faster than a human can. Why does it need to talk to another car to make it safer than a human?
I mean obviously having them talk would make them even more safe, but it isn't a requirement.
the talking to each other thing is pretty much the idea which makes these cars safer than humans.
Why?
A computer can make a better decision faster than a human can. Why does it need to talk to another car to make it safer than a human?
I mean obviously having them talk would make them even more safe, but it isn't a requirement.
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#5175915 Posted on: 10/21/2015 03:19 PM
Why?
A computer can make a better decision faster than a human can. Why does it need to talk to another car to make it safer than a human?
I mean obviously having them talk would make them even more safe, but it isn't a requirement.
If you need to stop, or swerve to avoid, a computer will know instantly which is better, human drivers or not. It can check every spot, including every blind spot, and find the best direction to take the car. And it can do it basically instantly.
Why?
A computer can make a better decision faster than a human can. Why does it need to talk to another car to make it safer than a human?
I mean obviously having them talk would make them even more safe, but it isn't a requirement.
If you need to stop, or swerve to avoid, a computer will know instantly which is better, human drivers or not. It can check every spot, including every blind spot, and find the best direction to take the car. And it can do it basically instantly.
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#5175928 Posted on: 10/21/2015 04:11 PM
Really? Self-driving cars would be programmed to follow the rules and not drive like jackass's. If they were all networked together and all drove at the same speed, used their blinkers to change lanes, etc... everyone would get to their destination a lot quicker and safer. Instead, these cars would be in reactive mode the majority of the time because 99% of drivers are asshats that don't know how to drive.
I fail to understand how a self-driving car is a terrible idea if there are human drivers around it. At worst it would be about the same as a human; I can't fathom how it's worse, someone explain this garbage.
Really? Self-driving cars would be programmed to follow the rules and not drive like jackass's. If they were all networked together and all drove at the same speed, used their blinkers to change lanes, etc... everyone would get to their destination a lot quicker and safer. Instead, these cars would be in reactive mode the majority of the time because 99% of drivers are asshats that don't know how to drive.
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#5175929 Posted on: 10/21/2015 04:15 PM
Again, yeah, obviously if the cars were networked and communicated it would speed everything up. But in the worst case scenario the computer controlled car will be just as good as a human. You say it would be reactive, but all those reactions to asshat drivers will be done far faster and to a better degree of accuracy than a human driver, which in turn makes the car safer.
Really? Self-driving cars would be programmed to follow the rules and not drive like jackass's. If they were all networked together and all drove at the same speed, used their blinkers to change lanes, etc... everyone would get to their destination a lot quicker and safer. Instead, these cars would be in reactive mode the majority of the time because 99% of drivers are asshats that don't know how to drive.
Again, yeah, obviously if the cars were networked and communicated it would speed everything up. But in the worst case scenario the computer controlled car will be just as good as a human. You say it would be reactive, but all those reactions to asshat drivers will be done far faster and to a better degree of accuracy than a human driver, which in turn makes the car safer.
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#5175931 Posted on: 10/21/2015 04:18 PM
If I get a self-driving car will it take me home from the pub? Will I get a dui if I'm in the back seat?
If I get a self-driving car will it take me home from the pub? Will I get a dui if I'm in the back seat?
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the speeding ticket wasn't filmed, or, at least, wasn't shown.